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Really? So many guys in NYC/PA/CT/NJ area have crosses, rosery beads, bible versus, etc. extremely common in Italian and Irish American.
No one bugs them as far as I know.
New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Jersey, for those who wouldn't know.
Anyway I love these type of Catholic Americans. Real working class.
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New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Jersey, for those who wouldn't know.
Anyway I love these type of Catholic Americans. Real working class.
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2/3 in the second sentence.

Added in 3 hours 57 minutes 36 seconds:


"Anti-Muslim bigotry is completely irrational, and contributes to harming one of the world's most persecuted groups."

This sentence requires a trigger warning. Just looking at the recent Trump budget and its quite ugly, comments like this make me realise why exactly I'm still far more comfortable on the Trump train than even with a centrist Democrat. The West and America are far better off with American exceptionalism despite how problematically conservative they have become than with a side that genuinely believes sentences like this.
You're not actually triggered.

And I stand by what I wrote. There is no excuse and no justifications for bigotry against Muslims. If you actually knew several you'd know very well that they're just people, neither better nor worse than the rest of us.

My comment came in the context of Pat highlighting a particularly disgusting thing that Doc had written. That comment suggested that Xexos should go be a sexual offender based on his religious destiny or whatever. That is bigotry, there is no excuse for it, and your response to all that is to be triggered and say that you'll go support Trump because it's important for you to be able to denigrate Muslims, ok -- whatever.

You're supporting Trump at a purely meaningless internet troll level. You're not directly affected by his policies nor are you directly familiar with the consequences of Trumpism. Ill give you the Cole's notes: No, he's not good for America. He's not leaving behind any legacy of physical or social infrastructure. Drinking water is toxic in some places. Roads and highways are in greater and greater disrepair. Trump's passed some inflationary tax cuts, which rich people will spend on consumer goods. Both of the fiscal and trade deficits look as bad as ever. Life expectancy is in decline. The USA is isolated internationally -- Trump's friends Duterte and Putin were not going to support the USA after Iran injured 100+ American soldiers. Violent crime is increasing. There are mass shootings in high school all of the time and Trump says the solution is more guns. Environmental pollution is increasing, for example because he's made it easier for mining companies to dump waste into rivers. The USA is falling behind China in science and tech. Diabetics need to pay $1000/month for insulin. It can take forty years for some people to repay student loans.

Yes, many of those issues were around before him, but he is either ignoring them or exacerbating them.

But hey, it's all good, I wrote that bigotry is wrong which you think requires a trigger warning, so now Trump can have your support.

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I blame Trump for a shorter life expectancy. I know I could squeeze in another five years under Bernie.
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I blame Trump for a shorter life expectancy. I know I could squeeze in another five years under Bernie.
You might live longer under a President Bloomberg. He will take away guns and processed sugar.

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You're not actually triggered.

And I stand by what I wrote. There is no excuse and no justifications for bigotry against Muslims. If you actually knew several you'd know very well that they're just people, neither better nor worse than the rest of us.

My comment came in the context of Pat highlighting a particularly disgusting thing that Doc had written. That comment suggested that Xesos should go be a sexual offender based on his religious destiny or whatever. That is bigotry, there is no excuse for it, and your response to all that is to be triggered and say that you'll go support Trump because it's important for you to be able to denigrate Muslims, ok -- whatever.

You're supporting Trump at a purely meaningless internet troll level. You're not directly affected by his policies nor are you directly familiar with the consequences of Trumpism. Ill give you the Cole's notes: No, he's not good for America. He's not leaving behind any legacy of physical or social infrastructure. Drinking water is toxic in some places. Roads and highways are in greater and greater disrepair. Trump's passed some inflationary tax cuts, which rich people will spend on consumer goods. Both of the fiscal and trade deficits look as bad as ever. Life expectancy is in decline. The USA is isolated internationally -- Trump's friends Duterte and Putin were not going to support the USA after Iran injured 100+ American soldiers. Violent crime is increasing. There are mass shootings in high school all of the time and Trump says the solution is more guns. Environmental pollution is increasing, for example because he's made it easier for mining companies to dump waste into rivers. The USA is falling behind China in science and tech. Diabetics need to pay $1000/month for insulin. It can take forty years for some people to repay student loans.

Yes, many of those issues were around before him, but he is either ignoring them or exacerbating them.

But hey, it's all good, I wrote that bigotry is wrong which you think requires a trigger warning, so now Trump can have your support.

Priorities.

"And I stand by what I wrote. There is no excuse and no justifications for bigotry against Muslims. If you actually knew several you'd know very well that they're just people, neither better nor worse than the rest of us. "

Right, because the Islamic world and all Islamic nations are clearly wonderful examples of the progressiveness and left-wing ideals you hold so dear, or at least pretend to. The Quran of course does too. And of course I don't have to raise the point that you as a scientist are suggesting that anecdotal examples of having a few Muslim friends are as valuable in analysing Islam as statistics along with entire cultures, political systems and ways of life across the middle east? A few Muslim friends can tell you more about Islam than the conditions under which over a billion Muslims live and conduct their societies, lives and even the holy book right? Neither better nor worse, because yes of course, value systems and beliefs tell you nothing about what kind of person you are. /s

And by the way, I've known and been friends with many. I shouldn't have to tell a scientist, but again it doesn't follow from anecdotal evidence specifically in our Western nations that one can't judge the effects of Islam as a belief system on the wider world. Bigotry by definition is intolerance to someone by virtue of their beliefs; virtue signalling aside, only a fool wouldn't be bigoted towards an oppressive belief system, as you are towards Trumpism for example. That's not to say I or anyone should treat someone poorly because they were born into and indoctrinated by a religion, but nor does it mean you should be fundamentally tolerant of the belief system. Anyone with moral decency and a brain would be triggered by the stupidity of your comment. Oh wait no, Hitler was just people, nazis are just people no better or worse than anyone else /s

I've given you a detailed policy critique of Bernie previously who looks to be the frontrunner currently, you ignored it, didn't acknowledge the post, didn't acknowledge a single argument made, and proceeded to mention in subsequent posts that you favour him.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcom ... erica-all/

Here for example is his (open) border policy, decriminalising undocumented border crossings, dismantling ICE and offering citizenship on the virtue that they've simply been in the country for a few years. Public housing for undocumented immigrants, free public healthcare for undocumented immigrants. You're happy to completely ignore it however. Much of this can, and he himself has acknowledged will be implemented as soon as he becomes president through executive order.

Or consider the highest minimum wage in the world, federally despite how drastically different living costs and business costs are from city to city, and the effect this would have on small business and encouraging automation for the big business that can afford to move towards it. A federal jobs guarantee that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, the highest estate tax in the world, one of the highest corporate tax rates, among the highest income taxes in the world, more than doubling the entire budget when the federal debt is almost at all time highs, forgiving ALL student debt (I mean fuck the suckers who paid upfront, including those who worked during college to do so right?) and the biggest green infrastructure project globally, more than the rest of global investment into renewable energy put-together. Of course the technology to move completely off fossil fuels as Bernie implies will occur doesn't exist currently, but we won't bother to worry about that now will we? A federal jobs guarantee based on implementation of these "green" jobs despite the fact that globally there is no country in which the energy sector could ever provide this number of government jobs, and if it did it would be horrifically inefficient. Oh and of course the highest tax rate in the world on stock trades, virtually killing off an entire financial industry and ability to list companies publicly in the United States.

Pay attention to the fact that virtually every major policy position is the furthest left on the planet, do you not for a single second question the legitimacy of any of his economic policies or simply blindly accept them? On one point you make regarding the deficit, of course a deficit increases in an inflationary economy and for the most part will continue to do so, however debt to GDP has increased only marginally since Trump took office. Someone who understands fiscal responsibility (and who are we kidding, you're a Bernie supporter) can look at the charts and see that the only recent failings in fiscal policy have been under Bush an Obama. Largely as a result of the GFC which was caused primarily by Clinton era financial regulation and a failure of the Bush administration to properly manage financial regulation or steadily increasing issues within the banking system. No matter the social problems you see, the current level of debt is economic reality and any president has to make policy with consideration to it. Looking at debt to GDP under Trump, he clearly hasn't failed in this regard anywhere near previous admins.

Billionares potentially paying virtually a 100% effective income tax over their last 30 years of life? Fuck it, we got problems to fix! The rich already have so much money that they'll never leave, even if they're paying almost 100% in income tax, or if their business or net worth drops in value and they can lose money and still have to pay money to the government, no worries right? Why wouldn't they stay and pay all their money to the government? Oh don't worry they'll pay it'll be fine!! 77% estate tax, the wealthy are so wealthy they won't care right? Foreign nations will still invest in American products and companies when they have the highest wages, environmental and financial regulations and taxes in the world right? Right??? Fifteen dollar minimum wage (highest in the world) with an open borders policy seems like a good idea right???

Afro, instead of your pathetically condescending "Cole's notes", consider that you can list off all the problems in the world, for example virtually every single one you mentioned I would absolutely agree deserves consideration into crafting solutions. So would the vast majority of people, including conservatives. The problem is you don't actually give a fuck about solutions, your primary concern is appearance of wanting to fix them, or virtue signalling towards them or regardless of the effects caused by your solutions. I and everyone one else with a functioning mind that isn't a rampant virtue signaller will not support a candidate in their country or a Western nation as important as the US that emphatically advocates open borders, and free social services for all that come in. Do you do so because you're too unintelligent to understand the implications or the basic economics, or because you're fundamentally more concerned with virtue signalling than fixing problems? That's where your viewpoint seems to get a little ugly.

I would strongly suggest when you list those problems and imply that you believe the US has the financial ability to fix them, ask yourself can the US really be in such a horrible position after Trump if people like you and Sanders believe they are all able to be achieved and paid for? Of course you haven't bothered consider this because it doesn't fit your worldview.

I've even said multiple times on the forum, I would have supported Andrew Yang who 100% if he was the nominee, however people like yourself were more interested in an angry, old, economically illiterate socialist with the furthest left policies on earth than a candidate that actually god fordid focused on statistics and the underlying economics of the solutions they proposed. You for example lied and implied he was a one policy candidate and said UBI doesn't solve everything, again because you like the IDEA of Bernie, ultimately ignore underlying data around your conclusion and pretending anyone that doesn't see what you see is wrong. So don't bullshit and pretend I like Trump solely because he's an internet troll, I like him because I prefer the status quo to a candidate that says he will by executive order on his first day in office make every undocumented child a citizen and give free healthcare and public housing to anyone who walks or flies across the border. If you can't see see the problem, then get your fucking head out of your ass Afro.

I mean as Rudiger said, you didn't even have the balls to acknowledge that you were wrong on your assessment of Wolf Pack publicly and instead did it between people in PM. You stood up for him Pat after a barrage of lies, that YOU KNEW were lies, including his bullshit about his non-existent daughter. You were aware wolf didn't have a daughter, yet didn't criticise him when he lied that Pat was suggesting he'd harm her. You're not an idiot by any means, which is why its so ugly when you come to conclusions that fit one.

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There is no excuse and no justifications for bigotry against Muslims.
I'm going to address this and say that @Xexos is absolutely right, I'm biased, and when it comes to those insults, I'm watching the reactions of the community and of course the individuals that may be offended about them. As some of you guys know, I value dark humor and trolling to an extent and there's no way I'm going to immediately crack down on someone dropping the word "sand nigger" for example.

But if someone, like Xexos, really feels offended by it and don't want to see that throw around, I will listen and consider sanctions. That's what I did for the antisemitism or the racism that were reported to me. And now I come to my bias regarding antisemitism: no I will not put it on the same level as "islamophobia", first because it's a term that was popularized by far left "antiracist" organisations and the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organisation, and second, because I live a few hundred meters away from a spot where Jews used to be packed on a train to be sent to Auschwitz.

The two are far from being on the same level for me. When I see antisemitism in action, I think Auschwitz, when I see "islamophobia" (and no I won't lose the quoting marks), I think Ilhan Omar.
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"And I stand by what I wrote. There is no excuse and no justifications for bigotry against Muslims. If you actually knew several you'd know very well that they're just people, neither better nor worse than the rest of us. "

Right, because the Islamic world and all Islamic nations are clearly wonderful examples of the progressiveness and left-wing ideals you hold so dear, or at least pretend to. The Quran of course does too. And of course I don't have to raise the point that you as a scientist are suggesting that anecdotal examples of having a few Muslim friends are as valuable in analysing Islam as statistics along with entire cultures, political systems and ways of life across the middle east? A few Muslim friends can tell you more about Islam than the conditions under which over a billion Muslims live and conduct their societies, lives and even the holy book right? Neither better nor worse, because yes of course, value systems and beliefs tell you nothing about what kind of person you are. /s

And by the way, I've known and been friends with many. I shouldn't have to tell a scientist, but again it doesn't follow from anecdotal evidence specifically in our Western nations that one can't judge the effects of Islam as a belief system on the wider world. Bigotry by definition is intolerance to someone by virtue of their beliefs; virtue signalling aside, only a fool wouldn't be bigoted towards an oppressive belief system, as you are towards Trumpism for example. That's not to say I or anyone should treat someone poorly because they were born into and indoctrinated by a religion, but nor does it mean you should be fundamentally tolerant of the belief system. Anyone with moral decency and a brain would be triggered by the stupidity of your comment. Oh wait no, Hitler was just people, nazis are just people no better or worse than anyone else /s

I've given you a detailed policy critique of Bernie previously who looks to be the frontrunner currently, you ignored it, didn't acknowledge the post, didn't acknowledge a single argument made, and proceeded to mention in subsequent posts that you favour him.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcom ... erica-all/

Here for example is his (open) border policy, decriminalising undocumented border crossings, dismantling ICE and offering citizenship on the virtue that they've simply been in the country for a few years. Public housing for undocumented immigrants, free public healthcare for undocumented immigrants. You're happy to completely ignore it however. Much of this can, and he himself has acknowledged will be implemented as soon as he becomes president through executive order.

Or consider the highest minimum wage in the world, federally despite how drastically different living costs and business costs are from city to city, and the effect this would have on small business and encouraging automation for the big business that can afford to move towards it. A federal jobs guarantee that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, the highest estate tax in the world, one of the highest corporate tax rates, among the highest income taxes in the world, more than doubling the entire budget when the federal debt is almost at all time highs, forgiving ALL student debt (I mean fuck the suckers who paid upfront, including those who worked during college to do so right?) and the biggest green infrastructure project globally, more than the rest of global investment into renewable energy put-together. Of course the technology to move completely off fossil fuels as Bernie implies will occur doesn't exist currently, but we won't bother to worry about that now will we? A federal jobs guarantee based on implementation of these "green" jobs despite the fact that globally there is no country in which the energy sector could ever provide this number of government jobs, and if it did it would be horrifically inefficient. Oh and of course the highest tax rate in the world on stock trades, virtually killing off an entire financial industry and ability to list companies publicly in the United States.

Pay attention to the fact that virtually every major policy position is the furthest left on the planet, do you not for a single second question the legitimacy of any of his economic policies or simply blindly accept them? On one point you make regarding the deficit, of course a deficit increases in an inflationary economy and for the most part will continue to do so, however debt to GDP has increased only marginally since Trump took office. Someone who understands fiscal responsibility (and who are we kidding, you're a Bernie supporter) can look at the charts and see that the only recent failings in fiscal policy have been under Bush an Obama. Largely as a result of the GFC which was caused primarily by Clinton era financial regulation and a failure of the Bush administration to properly manage financial regulation or steadily increasing issues within the banking system. No matter the social problems you see, the current level of debt is economic reality and any president has to make policy with consideration to it. Looking at debt to GDP under Trump, he clearly hasn't failed in this regard anywhere near previous admins.

Billionares potentially paying virtually a 100% effective income tax over their last 30 years of life? Fuck it, we got problems to fix! The rich already have so much money that they'll never leave, even if they're paying almost 100% in income tax, or if their business or net worth drops in value and they can lose money and still have to pay money to the government, no worries right? Why wouldn't they stay and pay all their money to the government? Oh don't worry they'll pay it'll be fine!! 77% estate tax, the wealthy are so wealthy they won't care right? Foreign nations will still invest in American products and companies when they have the highest wages, environmental and financial regulations and taxes in the world right? Right??? Fifteen dollar minimum wage (highest in the world) with an open borders policy seems like a good idea right???

Afro, instead of your pathetically condescending "Cole's notes", consider that you can list off all the problems in the world, for example virtually every single one you mentioned I would absolutely agree deserves consideration into crafting solutions. So would the vast majority of people, including conservatives. The problem is you don't actually give a fuck about solutions, your primary concern is appearance of wanting to fix them, or virtue signalling towards them or regardless of the effects caused by your solutions. I and everyone one else with a functioning mind that isn't a rampant virtue signaller will not support a candidate in their country or a Western nation as important as the US that emphatically advocates open borders, and free social services for all that come in. Do you do so because you're too unintelligent to understand the implications or the basic economics, or because you're fundamentally more concerned with virtue signalling than fixing problems? That's where your viewpoint seems to get a little ugly.

I would strongly suggest when you list those problems and imply that you believe the US has the financial ability to fix them, ask yourself can the US really be in such a horrible position after Trump if people like you and Sanders believe they are all able to be achieved and paid for? Of course you haven't bothered consider this because it doesn't fit your worldview.

I've even said multiple times on the forum, I would have supported Andrew Yang who 100% if he was the nominee, however people like yourself were more interested in an angry, old, economically illiterate socialist with the furthest left policies on earth than a candidate that actually god fordid focused on statistics and the underlying economics of the solutions they proposed. You for example lied and implied he was a one policy candidate and said UBI doesn't solve everything, again because you like the IDEA of Bernie, ultimately ignore underlying data around your conclusion and pretending anyone that doesn't see what you see is wrong. So don't bullshit and pretend I like Trump solely because he's an internet troll, I like him because I prefer the status quo to a candidate that says he will by executive order on his first day in office make every undocumented child a citizen and give free healthcare and public housing to anyone who walks or flies across the border. If you can't see see the problem, then get your fucking head out of your ass Afro.
1,564 words. I'm of two minds. One says that you're a dick, the other says that you're a blessing. I was leaning toward the first one up to and until the point that i copied and pasted your post into a word counter. Something about seeing the number made me smile and nod.

I'll respond to you in three parts, addressing Islam, Sanders and Yang.

1 - Islam.

Again I don't endorse any fundamentalist belief system, which in this case includes wahhabism, salafism, etc. That is not what we were discussing, we were discussing Doc's post of a graphic showing some sexual predators who have nothing to do with one another other than being Muslim, and extrapolating that to Xesos. That is anti-Muslim bigotry, and it's wrong.

You bring up the fact that a scientist should know that anecdotes are not data. First, the only thing that you need to disprove a positive claim is a single counterexample. It is also the case that the actual scientific literature includes lots of documentation about case studies, a polite word for "anecdotes".

Second, I know that, and it wasn't relevant to my point. A lot of the way that people think in real life is driven by emotion and is not scientific. And thus the way to undermine rigid ideological think has to include an emotional component, for example it is impossible to reason with someone who is angry, etc, you have to find and address the root of their anger. Note that the topic if discussion, the graphic of 8 Muslim sexual predators -- and we don't even know if the graphic is real -- is emotion and anecdote driven.

You mention the social status of people Muslim countries. What you neglect to say is that many of those peoples have had limited freedom to make things better. Iran tried to have a progressive revolution in 1953, and and the USA blocked it. Beirut was once one of the cultural capitals of the Arab world, and Israel bombed it for decades. Libya had high rates of schooling for girls, etc, and Obama+Sarkozy decide to bomb the shit out of it. Iraq has lost over a million lives since 2003.

If you and I were living under those conditions, we wouldn't be doing better than Xesos.

2 - Sanders.

You presented a detailed critique of his policy platform. My response is that I completely agree with your critique. The platform success, wealth taxes for example are completely impractical, and open borders would be national suicide.

The campaign policies are demonstrated by the historical record to be irrelevant. Do you remember Bush Jr. running against foreign wars? That is even more true in the primaries. There is simply no prospect of Sanders opening the border completely. It is exceedingly unlikely that he'll give free health care to every undocumented immigrant. The way to predict what a candidate might do is to see where their support comes from, where it would come from while in office, and who their inner circle is. Given the Congress and the Senate, I expect small leftward tweaks under a President Sanders.

3 - Yang

Again, I like Yang. His policy positions if implemented would sooth a lot of issues. He's showing a lot of forward thinking seeing the future ten or twenty years ahead which is fucking rare. He showed some empathy when he mentioned the increasing white suicide (might have been white mortality) rate. I mentioned to you his response about drug addiction in the debate. I loved it, he showed a lot if empathy and a superior understanding of political economy. Him speaking about his son's autism, and his wife speaking about her sexual assault, has also made the world a better place for a lot of people.

Even if he was wrong about all that, he'd still be a positive presence as he's expanding the scope of discussion.

So by all means, stan for Yang.

But he's not actually running for President. Nor was he ever. He ran a protest campaign to try and expand the scope of discussion, which he succeeded at doing. But he was never going to win the nomination and he knew it. For example he rarely spoke about foreign policy, which is the area that the President has the most influence on. He related (nearly) everything back to UBI. That's not the strategy of someone who is seeking to win.

Saying that I or you or anybody would truly support him as a credible candidate is disingenuous -- it is an extreme hypothetical.
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1,564 words. I'm of two minds. One says that you're a dick, the other says that you're a blessing. I was leaning toward the first one up to and until the point that i copied and pasted your post into a word counter. Something about seeing the number made me smile and nod.
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Uh... K
1,564 words...is that...possibly...kind of above average? 8-)

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I'm going to address this and say that @Xexos is absolutely right, I'm biased, and when it comes to those insults, I'm watching the reactions of the community and of course the individuals that may be offended about them. As some of you guys know, I value dark humor and trolling to an extent and there's no way I'm going to immediately crack down on someone dropping the word "sand nigger" for example.

But if someone, like Xexos, really feels offended by it and don't want to see that throw around, I will listen and consider sanctions. That's what I did for the antisemitism or the racism that were reported to me. And now I come to my bias regarding antisemitism: no I will not put it on the same level as "islamophobia", first because it's a term that was popularized by far left "antiracist" organisations and the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organisation, and second, because I live a few hundred meters away from a spot where Jews used to be packed on a train to be sent to Auschwitz.

The two are far from being on the same level for me. When I see antisemitism in action, I think Auschwitz, when I see "islamophobia" (and no I won't lose the quoting marks), I think Ilhan Omar.
I understand what you are saying here and I agree with it... except that I don't think "sand n--" only fits into your far left definition of Islamophobia - it's flat, blunt racism under any definition. As is the word "n--" which has been used here a lot, as is the barely post-slavery idea that whites and blacks should not marry, which has also been said here a lot. I wouldn't have thought that anyone really thought that anymore, it's been an education.

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is it racist to worship certain races appearance and culture by itself? i really dont want to be racist anymore but ill never stop loving white women and west euro culture, and placing it higher than other cultures

if thats racist than fred would be racist too, as he has made similar sentiments regarding superiority of "western" (read : euro ) culture

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But if someone, like Xexos, really feels offended by it and don't want to see that throw around, I will listen and consider sanctions. That's what I did for the antisemitism or the racism that were reported to me. And now I come to my bias regarding antisemitism: no I will not put it on the same level as "islamophobia", first because it's a term that was popularized by far left "antiracist" organisations and the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organisation, and second, because I live a few hundred meters away from a spot where Jews used to be packed on a train to be sent to Auschwitz.

The two are far from being on the same level for me. When I see antisemitism in action, I think Auschwitz, when I see "islamophobia" (and no I won't lose the quoting marks), I think Ilhan Omar.
I am confused by this. Who asked you to put "Islamophibia" at the same level as "anti semitism"? Islam is a set of ideas and there is nothing wrong with criticizing it. Just like there is nothing wrong in criticizing Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion. It's also perfectly fine to analyze the impact of these religions (including Islam) on society. However, calling someone sand nigger or goat fucker are clearly racist insults. I am surprised that you equated them with Islamophobia.

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First, the only thing that you need to disprove a positive claim is a single counterexample.
This is true but in a very limited context. For example, if someone claims "there are no even prime numbers" , we can reject the claim because we know there exists one prime number that is even, 2. However, when it comes to discussing Islam or it's impact on a society, we are no longer in the territory of simple, absolute, statements. @JLBB is right when he says the following:
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And of course I don't have to raise the point that you as a scientist are suggesting that anecdotal examples of having a few Muslim friends are as valuable in analysing Islam as statistics along with entire cultures, political systems and ways of life across the middle east? A few Muslim friends can tell you more about Islam than the conditions under which over a billion Muslims live and conduct their societies, lives and even the holy book right?

To claim that "I know Islam inspires people to do good because my Muslim friends are good" is analogous to saying "I know Islam inspires people to do bad because I know Muslims that are bad(such as Osama)". Both of these claims have the same fatal flaw, making a general claim by observing a very small sample size.
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You might live longer under a President Bloomberg. He will take away guns and processed sugar.
Guns save more lives than they take away.

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Beirut was once one of the cultural capitals of the Arab world, and Israel bombed it for decades.
I love how you just throw out these emotional statements with absolutely no regard for historical context.
Beirut was bombed for decades with the Lebanese civil war being a major contributor to Beirut's decimation.

Sure the Israelis played their part, going after Hezbollah forces holed up in southern Beirut. But a larger part of the destruction was caused by local warring factions.

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Folks, we have already seen a leftie on this forum wishing death on conservatives. That was not unique. There are other lefties who do the same. Seriously, fuck Antifa and all the radical lefties who think like them. Also, fuck the media and news channels who ignore these degenerates and are happy calling conservatives and Trump supporters racist.

There was somebody on this forum who was is saying that?

Who are you referring to?

You do realize that Wolf Pack has been impersonating people here?

Trump is going to win in 2020, that said, who said that on this form? I'm just
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