Unsurprisingly, I side with Jordan Peterson even though I'm aware of the paradoxes in his argumentation. I just can't think you can live an optimal life without religion, and I mean a proper religion that's been weeded out of its outdated beliefs, not a spiritual yoga retreat every other weekend, been there, done that (not specifically that but just being 'spiritual' and it just made my my mental well-being even worse.pjhair wrote: ↑1 year agoI listened to all 4 hours of the conversations. Unsurprisingly, I find myself agreeing with Sam Harris. Although, I do think Peterson's concerns about the consequence of loss of religion's are valid(even Sam agrees to that), however, I agree with Sam that the net negative of religions outweigh the positive. I also agree with Sam that structures obtained from religions aren't the only ones that can protect us from a nihilistic world view.
Research actually supports my experience: '"Spiritual But Not Religious" Is Associated With Depression' https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... depression
This is exactly was Sam Harris is trying to do, but that doesn't work, which explains why even though I discovered Sam Harris and the other atheist thinkers before Jordan Peterson, all they managed to make me do is raise an eyebrow and mildly comfort me into my adolescent wrath against religion: "muh sky daddy cope lololol!" What a waste of a stellar IQ for those people. I wish Sam Harris wasn't such a fundamentalist (yes) when it comes to science and his materialistic worldview.
All I have is my personal experience before and after, I was religious before I was 15, went into existential suffering like you wouldn't believe to the point of having panic attacks and deep bouts of depression (and the hair loss certainly didn't help) and I tried various things like I stated above. The only thing that truly put me back together in the head so to speak was religion. All I can say is that I'm much better now and the fact and for once it's long-lasting. It's not like I hit rock bottom and then I've seen the light, no, as I improved everything in my life, it's like everything came together, even before I ever heard Jordan Peterson speak.
He and Jonathan Pageau just put into words and confirmed what I already knew. Again, having been on the other side, I knew exactly how my old self would think of all I'm saying above, and I seem to be the only religious person in this thread and this website, except for @Marki I think? Ah well, if you want, bring it guys :p.
The same kind of criticism I've seen of Wolf Pack on HairlossTalk or people who enjoy bashing proper intellectuals, it's all resentment, arrogance and jealousy. No you're no better than widely respected and acclaimed intellectuals and the fact that their work has been cited thousands of times is no accident or a result of people giving them unearned praise because they're stupid.
I won't say more because I know you're mostly a contrarian, and maybe we need someone like you on this website.