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Intermittent and long-term fasting

Post by Afro_Vacancy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:41 pm

This thread is intended as a combination of a fasting diary, a robust discussion of the demonstrated benefits of fasting, and a speculative discussion of what might also be beneficial. I will soon follow up with a rigorous list of references. At this time, fasting has demonstrated benefits for metabolic health, the distribution of fat in the body, cancer, and the immune system. There are reports that it may be beneficial for auto-immune issues, mental health, the skin, etc.

Any argument that fasting is beneficial or detrimental for alopecia is purely speculative. At this time, there is no convincing argument that meal timing can either accelerate or decelerate alopecia. We're also very unlikely to have any robust evidence on the matter soon. That is why I'm posting this in the off-topic thread.

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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

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The fasting bibliography, General and Classics:

Some references taken from here:
https://authoritynutrition.com/10-healt ... t-fasting/

Jason Fung's fasting series, Part II (linked here is colloquiual), parts 3 and 4 are very technical, and it goes on
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/ ... y-part-ii/

Article on a 20-day fast that made the cover of Harper's a while back:
http://media.wix.com/ugd/03997d_422ba2e ... f1b1e7.pdf

Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

Medically supervised water-only fasting in the treatment of hypertension.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11416824

Medically supervised water-only fasting in the treatment of borderline hypertension.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12470446

Fasting: the history, pathophysiology and complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6758355

https://www.nature.com/articles/cr2017126
Intermittent fasting promotes adipose thermogenesis and metabolic homeostasis via VEGF-mediated alternative activation of macrophage

Miscellany on Human Growth Hormone, Autophagy, Norepinephrine, Etc.

A randomized pilot study comparing zero-calorie alternate-day fasting to daily caloric restriction in adults with obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27569118

Fasting enhances growth hormone secretion and amplifies the complex rhythms of growth hormone secretion in man.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

Augmented growth hormone (GH) secretory burst frequency and amplitude mediate enhanced GH secretion during a two-day fast in normal men.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1548337

Fasting enhances growth hormone secretion and amplifies the complex rhythms of growth hormone secretion in man.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3127426

Resting energy expenditure in short-term starvation is increased as a result of an increase in serum norepinephrine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640462

Metabolic regulation of Sirtuins upon fasting and the implication for cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24048020

Caloric restriction and intermittent fasting: Two potential diets for successful brain aging
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2622429/

Short-term fasting induces profound neuronal autophagy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/

Mitochondrial degradation by autophagy (mitophagy) in GFP-LC3 transgenic hepatocytes during nutrient deprivation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21106691

Prolonged Fasting reduces IGF-1/PKA to promote hematopoietic stem cell-based regeneration and reverse immunosuppression
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102383/

Fasting and Weighlifting

Effects of eight weeks of time-restricted feeding (16/8) on basal metabolism, maximal strength, body composition, inflammation, and cardiovascular risk factors in resistance-trained males
http://translational-medicine.biomedcen ... 016-1044-0

Time-restricted feeding in young men performing resistance training: A randomized controlled trial.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27550719

Krista Varady's Research on Alternate-Day Fasting

Dietary and physical activity adaptations to alternate day modified fasting: implications for optimal weight loss.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20815899

Short-term modified alternate-day fasting: a novel dietary strategy for weight loss and cardioprotection in obese adults.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19793855

Alternate day fasting for weight loss in normal weight and overweight subjects: a randomized controlled trial.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24215592

Improvements in LDL particle size and distribution by short-term alternate day modified fasting in obese adults.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20880415

Intermittent fasting combined with calorie restriction is effective for weight loss and cardio-protection in obese women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23171320

Safety of alternate day fasting and effect on disordered eating behaviors.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25943396

Alternate day fasting increases LDL particle size independently of dietary fat content in obese humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23612508

Alternate day fasting and endurance exercise combine to reduce body weight and favorably alter plasma lipids in obese humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23408502

Alternate day fasting (ADF) with a high-fat diet produces similar weight loss and cardio-protection as ADF with a low-fat diet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22889512

Improvements in coronary heart disease risk indicators by alternate-day fasting involve adipose tissue modulations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300080

Benefit of a low-fat over high-fat diet on vascular health during alternate day fasting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23712283

Meal timing during alternate day fasting: Impact on body weight and cardiovascular disease risk in obese adults.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25251676

Effect of exercising while fasting on eating behaviors and food intake.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24176020

Changes in hunger and fullness in relation to gut peptides before and after 8 weeks of alternate day fasting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27062219

Improvement in coronary heart disease risk factors during an intermittent fasting/calorie restriction regimen: Relationship to adipokine modulations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23113919

Effects of weight loss via high fat vs. low fat alternate day fasting diets on free fatty acid profiles.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557754

Modified alternate-day fasting and cardioprotection: relation to adipose tissue dynamics and dietary fat intake.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19375762

Determinants of weight loss success with alternate day fasting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26385599

Alternate-day fasting reduces global cell proliferation rates independently of dietary fat content in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19084375

Impact of intermittent fasting on glucose homeostasis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27137896

Alternate-day fasting and chronic disease prevention: a review of human and animal trials.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17616757

Effects of modified alternate-day fasting regimens on adipocyte size, triglyceride metabolism, and plasma adiponectin levels in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17607017

Dose effects of modified alternate-day fasting regimens on in vivo cell proliferation and plasma insulin-like growth factor-1 in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495119

Improvements in body fat distribution and circulating adiponectin by alternate-day fasting versus calorie restriction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19195863

Modified alternate-day fasting regimens reduce cell proliferation rates to a similar extent as daily calorie restriction in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18184721

Effects of different degrees of insulin resistance on endothelial function in obese adults undergoing alternate day fasting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28035343

Valter Longo's research, mostly focused on the fast-mimicking diet and applications to cancer treatment, the immune system, and life extension

Here's a TEDx talk by Valter Longo


Fasting-Mimicking Diet Promotes Ngn3-Driven β-Cell Regeneration to Reverse Diabetes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28235195

Fasting-mimicking diet and markers/risk factors for aging, diabetes, cancer, and cardiovascular disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28202779

Nutrition and fasting mimicking diets in the prevention and treatment of autoimmune diseases and immunosenescence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28137612

Impact of intermittent fasting on health and disease processes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27810402

Fasting and Caloric Restriction in Cancer Prevention and Treatment.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27557543

Fasting-Mimicking Diet Reduces HO-1 to Promote T Cell-Mediated Tumor Cytotoxicity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27411588

Fasting, Circadian Rhythms, and Time-Restricted Feeding in Healthy Lifespan.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27304506

Safety and feasibility of fasting in combination with platinum-based chemotherapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27282289

A Diet Mimicking Fasting Promotes Regeneration and Reduces Autoimmunity and Multiple Sclerosis Symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27239035

Fasting plus tyrosine kinase inhibitors in cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26645151

A Periodic Diet that Mimics Fasting Promotes Multi-System Regeneration, Enhanced Cognitive Performance, and Healthspan.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26094889

Fasting potentiates the anticancer activity of tyrosine kinase inhibitors by strengthening MAPK signaling inhibition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25909220

Fasting induces anti-Warburg effect that increases respiration but reduces ATP-synthesis to promote apoptosis in colon cancer models.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25909219

Prolonged fasting reduces IGF-1/PKA to promote hematopoietic-stem-cell-based regeneration and reverse immunosuppression.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24905167

Fasting: molecular mechanisms and clinical applications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24440038

Fasting enhances the response of glioma to chemo- and radiotherapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22984531

Fasting cycles retard growth of tumors and sensitize a range of cancer cell types to chemotherapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22323820

Fasting and differential chemotherapy protection in patients.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21088487

Fasting and cancer treatment in humans: A case series report.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20157582

Reduced levels of IGF-I mediate differential protection of normal and cancer cells in response to fasting and improve chemotherapeutic index.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20145127

Fasting and the Brain

Tedx talk by Mark Mattson, one of the dominant researchers here:


Intermittent fasting attenuates lipopolysaccharide-induced neuroinflammation and memory impairment.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24886300

Intermittent fasting attenuates inflammasome activity in ischemic stroke.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24805069

Chronic Intermittent Fasting Improves Cognitive Functions and Brain Structures in Mice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3670843/
Dietary restriction increases the number of newly generated neural cells, and induces BDNF expression, in the dentate gyrus of rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11220789

Dietary restriction enhances neurotrophin expression and neurogenesis in the hippocampus of adult mice
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

Dietary restriction increases the number of newly generated neural cells, and induces BDNF expression, in the dentate gyrus of rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11220789

Energy intake, meal frequency, and health: a neurobiological perspective.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16011467

Dietary restriction normalizes glucose metabolism and BDNF levels, slows disease progression, and increases survival in huntingtin mutant mice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC151440/

The Roles of BDNF in the Pathophysiology of Major Depression and in Antidepressant Treatment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3022308/

Age and Energy Intake Interact to Modify Cell Stress Pathways and Stroke Outcome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2844782/

Intermittent fasting and caloric restriction ameliorate age-related behavioral deficits in the triple-transgenic mouse model of Alzheimer's disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17306982

Reversal of cognitive decline: A novel therapeutic program
http://www.aging-us.com/article/100690

Caloric restriction and intermittent fasting: Two potential diets for successful brain aging
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2622429/

Dietary restriction and 2-deoxyglucose administration improve behavioral outcome and reduce degeneration of dopaminergic neurons in models of Parkinson's disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10398297

A ketone ester diet exhibits anxiolytic and cognition-sparing properties, and lessens amyloid and tau pathologies in a mouse model of Alzheimer's disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23276384

Intermittent fasting: A “new” historical strategy for controlling seizures?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3740951/

Bonus: Discussion of Coffee, Diabetes, and Weight Control
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/resear ... view.html/
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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

Post by Afro_Vacancy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:49 pm

I gained a significant amount of weight between November 2017 and April 2018. This was mostly due to extensive travel, but also thanksgiving and other holiday parties. I don't eat as well when travelling, I don't exercise as much, and my sleep schedule gets disrupted. All in all, I gained 10-15 lbs, I'm at roughly ~190 lbs. The weight that I list is always my morning weight on the day after having eaten normally, but prior to eating anything.

I had previously made it as far down as ~175 lbs, where I looked better, I was healthier, and clothes would fit me better. You have all those advantages when trim. It's also less catastrophic to gain 2 lbs. Finally, as referenced in the Gainzzz thread, when you start trim you're probably more comfortable going on a bulk. Muscles simply look much better on a slim frame.

My willpower was shot for a while ... but is better now. I don't know why it's suddenly improved, I wish I knew and that I could package this, but I feel better now and thus am at the start of a fast to feel and look better. I did a ~36-hour fast one week ago (no calories, just coffee, tea, water) and am at the start of a fast now. I did not eat yesterday and I feel ok, surprisingly. Day 2 and Day 3 (this is Day 2) can be the hardest for many people, but for now I feel ok. I hope that I can go 7+ days.

Edited to add: For those trying to interpret my weight numbers, I'm 5'11 / 1.81 meters tall, and a 34 year old male. My frame is approximately typical for my height and gender.

Edited again: This post and this topic was partly requested by @pjhair.

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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

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Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:41 pm
This thread is intended as a combination of a fasting diary, a robust discussion of the demonstrated benefits of fasting, and a speculative discussion of what might also be beneficial. I will soon follow up with a rigorous list of references. At this time, fasting has demonstrated benefits for metabolic health, the distribution of fat in the body, cancer, and the immune system. There are reports that it may be beneficial for auto-immune issues, mental health, the skin, etc
You indicate that fasting is beneficial for skin. I didn't know that. I will look more into it. As I have mentioned in the past, I experienced hyperandrogenicity on finasteride which resulted in me developing an oily skin in addition to losing hair. It indicates either DHT has gone up in my body or I have become more sensitive to androgens. I recently read that DHT has negative impact on skin as well. It makes it less tight and has other negative effects. This report has me concerned. I want to take steps to maximize the health of my skin. I have introduced fruits such as oranges in my regular diet as they have been shown to have positive impact on skin. If fasting is beneficial to skin, I will introduce it in my lifestyle as well.

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Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:25 pm
You indicate that fasting is beneficial for skin. I didn't know that. I will look more into it. As I have mentioned in the past, I experienced hyperandrogenicity on finasteride which resulted in me developing an oily skin in addition to losing hair. It indicates either DHT has gone up in my body or I have become more sensitive to androgens. I recently read that DHT has negative impact on skin as well. It makes it less tight and has other negative effects. This report has me concerned. I want to take steps to maximize the health of my skin. I have introduced fruits such as oranges in my regular diet as they have been shown to have positive impact on skin. If fasting is beneficial to skin, I will introduce it in my lifestyle as well.
The reports on skin are anecdotal. The first is that a lot of people report a glow, which is unfortunately of limited scientific value. Note however, that the glow contrasts to the common perception that weight loss results in aging of the face.

The second is that a lot of people report an absence of loose skin after significant weight loss from fasting.

But in your case, thje benefit would be from somehow resetting your receptors. CDnuts now has a website where he discusses his recovery from Post-Finasteride Syndrome in greater detail:
http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com

His body eventually returned to normal. I don't know if this would also happen to someone such as yourself, who had receptor up-regulation. When I looked up anecdotes on Post-Finasteride Syndrome forums, I found that many people reported improvements in mental sides from fasting, but not so much for the other side effects.

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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

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Afro_Vacancy wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:56 pm
The reports on skin are anecdotal. The first is that a lot of people report a glow, which is unfortunately of limited scientific value. Note however, that the glow contrasts to the common perception that weight loss results in aging of the face.

The second is that a lot of people report an absence of loose skin after significant weight loss from fasting.

But in your case, thje benefit would be from somehow resetting your receptors. CDnuts now has a website where he discusses his recovery from Post-Finasteride Syndrome in greater detail:
http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com

His body eventually returned to normal. I don't know if this would also happen to someone such as yourself, who had receptor up-regulation. When I looked up anecdotes on Post-Finasteride Syndrome forums, I found that many people reported improvements in mental sides from fasting, but not so much for the other side effects.
I have thought about following the cdnuts protocol in the past. Although I am not sure if it will work for me as I am experiencing opposite of Post-Finasteride Syndrome. I should probably try it though. I can probably start out small, doing a day or two at a time and build it up to a week.

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I'm on day 4 of the fast right now. It's hard to gauge how my body is responding as the long-term sleep debt is taking a toll on me. I do feel a bit more energetic than yesterday, and I wonder if I'll get the day 4 / day 5 euphoria that a lot of people talk about.

I did have a bit of food yesterday actually. The melatonin tablet I took had added sugar, so that's 10 calories. I also took a serving size of chia seed pudding, that's roughly 200 calories. I took it at dinner time because I want to poop lol. Chia seed has no sugar and very low levels of leucine, so they should minimally interfere with a fast.

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I'm on day 8 of a fast right now and I wish that I could keep going for a long time. I no longer have the dizziness, and in fact I have incredible mental clarity, drive, and focus. I don't feel hunger. My weight and waist size is dropping rapidly. I have discontinued all of my medications and cut my caffeine intake in half.

I would, really, go on for a while, or until I ran out of fat, whichever came first. But, there's a cocktail reception on Thursday involving donors, etc, and I'm signed up to go. So at the latest, my fast probably ends sometime on Wednesday.

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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

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Afro_Vacancy wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:14 am
I'm on day 8 of a fast right now and I wish that I could keep going for a long time. I no longer have the dizziness, and in fact I have incredible mental clarity, drive, and focus. I don't feel hunger. My weight and waist size is dropping rapidly. I have discontinued all of my medications and cut my caffeine intake in half.

I would, really, go on for a while, or until I ran out of fat, whichever came first. But, there's a cocktail reception on Thursday involving donors, etc, and I'm signed up to go. So at the latest, my fast probably ends sometime on Wednesday.
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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:14 am
I'm on day 8 of a fast right now and I wish that I could keep going for a long time. I no longer have the dizziness, and in fact I have incredible mental clarity, drive, and focus. I don't feel hunger. My weight and waist size is dropping rapidly. I have discontinued all of my medications and cut my caffeine intake in half.

I would, really, go on for a while, or until I ran out of fat, whichever came first. But, there's a cocktail reception on Thursday involving donors, etc, and I'm signed up to go. So at the latest, my fast probably ends sometime on Wednesday.
Ok, you have inspired me Afro. I am going to do a water fast. How long? I don't know. I will start out small. Starting from doing just a one day long juice fasting and then build it up to a week long water fast. One of the things that prevented me from attempting it in the past is that I run pretty regularly. My stamina is very sensitive to my diet. Last year I switched to quinoa from white rice and I experienced a significant drop in my running stamina. When I switched back to white rice, my stamina went back to it's normal level. Fasts will mean taking a break from running which I don't really like as I have made it into an unavoidable part of my life style. But I also want to see the benefits of fasts on my body so I will give it a shot.

I will do a 24 hours juice fast on coming Wednesday. I am going to be in a programmers conference organized by my company on Wednesday and Thursday. All we do that day is program for 20 hours straight and keep our energy levels high by eating chocolate, soda, doughnut, pizza and other bad food all day. I will not touch any bad food and will just drink fresh home made juice on Wednesday. Hopefully it wouldn't impact my run the following day.

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pjhair wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:48 pm
Ok, you have inspired me Afro. I am going to do a water fast. How long? I don't know. I will start out small. Starting from doing just a one day long juice fasting and then build it up to a week long water fast. One of the things that prevented me from attempting it in the past is that I run pretty regularly. My stamina is very sensitive to my diet. Last year I switched to quinoa from white rice and I experienced a significant drop in my running stamina. When I switched back to white rice, my stamina went back to it's normal level. Fasts will mean taking a break from running which I don't really like as I have made it into an unavoidable part of my life style. But I also want to see the benefits of fasts on my body so I will give it a shot.

I will do a 24 hours juice fast on coming Wednesday. I am going to be in a programmers conference organized by my company on Wednesday and Thursday. All we do that day is program for 20 hours straight and keep our energy levels high by eating chocolate, soda, doughnut, pizza and other bad food all day. I will not touch any bad food and will just drink fresh home made juice on Wednesday. Hopefully it wouldn't impact my run the following day.
Let us know how it goes, I'm on day 10 right now. I'm thinking of stopping tomorrow morning but I don't want it to end. The effects on the brain and on my health are mostly positive. I did see a study recently that showed that fasting up regulates the Dopamine-2 receptor. I should have saved it.

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Let us know how it goes, I'm on day 10 right now. I'm thinking of stopping tomorrow morning but I don't want it to end. The effects on the brain and on my health are mostly positive. I did see a study recently that showed that fasting up regulates the Dopamine-2 receptor. I should have saved it.
I weighed myself a few days ago after not having done so for a while. Damn, I'm 3kg over my ideal weight (which is supposed to be 78kg).

Never trust your judgement, trust the scale! It seems it has become a bit harder for me to lose weight with age (28).

It's a shame, now that I have a decent head of hair and a flatter belly (after my cryolipolysis procedure), I have to deal with a slightly bloated face and an extra-layer of fat.

I just went for a HIIT run and I've reduced carbs to a minimum. I'm not sure I'm ready for this intermittent fasting thing though, I'm afraid I'm going to lose muscle mass. Do you think that's a legit concern?
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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

Post by pjhair » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:04 pm

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I weighed myself a few days ago after not having done so for a while. Damn, I'm 3kg over my ideal weight (which is supposed to be 78kg).

Never trust your judgement, trust the scale! It seems it has become a bit harder for me to lose weight with age (28).

It's a shame, now that I have a decent head of hair and a flatter belly (after my cryolipolysis procedure), I have to deal with a slightly bloated face and an extra-layer of fat.

I just went for a HIIT run and I've reduced carbs to a minimum. I'm not sure I'm ready for this intermittent fasting thing though, I'm afraid I'm going to lose muscle mass. Do you think that's a legit concern?
I weigh my self 4 to 5 times everyday. My weight goes up and down 3- 4 lbs depending on the time of day I am weighing. After lunch and dinner it goes up and after my run it goes down. I don't think 3 kg increase is a cause of concern provided you don't let it creep up. Have you tried measuring it at different times during a day to see if it's just a temporary upswing?

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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

Post by Admin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:24 pm

pjhair wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:04 pm
I weigh my self 4 to 5 times everyday. My weight goes up and down 3- 4 lbs depending on the time of day I am weighing. After lunch and dinner it goes up and after my run it goes down. I don't think 3 kg increase is a cause of concern provided you don't let it creep up. Have you tried measuring it at different times during a day to see if it's just a temporary upswing?
I weighed myself again this morning with an empty stomach and I was still "stuck" at 80.5 kg. My goal is to do down to 78kg.

But as I've said, it seems hard. I ate less today and didn't take fries with my mussels (a sin for a Belgian) at dinner.

Now I know I need to be extra-careful and limit carbs as much as I can and eat small portions. I'll also work a little harder at the gym this week.
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Re: Intermittent and long-term fasting

Post by pjhair » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:47 pm

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:24 pm
I weighed myself again this morning with an empty stomach and I was still "stuck" at 80.5 kg. My goal is to do down to 78kg.

But as I've said, it seems hard. I ate less today and didn't take fries with my mussels (a sin for a Belgian) at dinner.

Now I know I need to be extra-careful and limit carbs as much as I can and eat small portions. I'll also work a little harder at the gym this week.
How many meals do you usually get? Have you considered removing all the small meals and just getting two big meals? My first meal of the day is always between 12 to 3 pm and second meal is around 10 pm. But that's all I eat. I never eat break fast or small snacks. I do eat a couple of oranges or some other fruit before or after my runs. This has been my eating habit since I was 18 years old. I am 36 now and pretty lean. In both of my meals, I eat a lot of white rice but my weight never goes up. It doesn't go up even when i travel for two-three weeks straight and eat a lot of bad food with zero exercise.

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