Topical Finasteride, progesterone and shedding

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by Hairblues » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:23 pm

rclark wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:14 am
Yes. I only used Estrogen for a short period of time. It
was used from March - May of 2018.

I used too much (.1%), which caused physical changes.

If I use it again, it will be a much smaller amount than
before.
And progesterone? Any physical sides? Or in blood work?

What strength do you use?

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by rclark » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:37 am

Hairblues wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:23 pm
And progesterone? Any physical sides? Or in blood work?

What strength do you use?
An extremely high strength. I didn't get much resistance either, I asked
for a higher one a couple of times.

No feminine side effects for me at all. In fact I have a beard as well.

I take two percent in Promox (20 milligrams = 2% Topical), and I also
take the maximum with Murray's (Med Wellness center), which is 0.5%.

I'm happy with them.

Side Note: I dermaroll them in my hair, all over the top. That includes
the hairline as well.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by rclark » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:39 am

Marki wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:37 am
How long before your body came back to normal - or do you still have some gyno?
I quit after two months, or possibly less.

After that I went to the gym every day. Also,
it should be noted I took testosterone supplements.

So, the combination of both, it went back to "normal".

I've always been a little overweight. So my "normal" is
flat relative to guys my age.

So, first I put in the high Minoxidil/Finasteride/Progesterone, and
then I dermaroll everything using a 1.5 millimeter needle.

So far, my vertex hair has been growing back. I even have some
terminal temple hair as well.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by Marki » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:05 am

rclark wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:39 am
I quit after two months, or possibly less.

After that I went to the gym every day. Also,
it should be noted I took testosterone supplements.

So, the combination of both, it went back to "normal".

I've always been a little overweight. So my "normal" is
flat relative to guys my age.

So, first I put in the high Minoxidil/Finasteride/Progesterone, and
then I dermaroll everything using a 1.5 millimeter needle.

So far, my vertex hair has been growing back. I even have some
terminal temple hair as well.
Did you lose the gains after you went off?

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by rclark » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:10 am

Marki wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:05 am
Did you lose the gains after you went off?
No, the Progesterone keeps all of my hair in. In fact, I shed probably
around ten to twenty hairs a month.

To be honest, if it wasn't for dermarolling, I probably would shed
even less.

I lose less hair than a man who has no genetic disposition to
androgen alopecia.

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Re: Topical Finasteride, progesterone and shedding

Post by Marki » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:01 pm

rclark wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:10 am
No, the Progesterone keeps all of my hair in. In fact, I shed probably
around ten to twenty hairs a month.

To be honest, if it wasn't for dermarolling, I probably would shed
even less.

I lose less hair than a man who has no genetic disposition to
androgen alopecia.
"No, the Progesterone keeps all of my hair in."

What about when you went off it, did you lose the gains?

Or are you saying you went off E but stayed on P?

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by Hairblues » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:21 pm

rclark wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:10 am
No, the Progesterone keeps all of my hair in. In fact, I shed probably
around ten to twenty hairs a month.

To be honest, if it wasn't for dermarolling, I probably would shed
even less.

I lose less hair than a man who has no genetic disposition to
androgen alopecia.

But women I know who take progesterone feel crazy on it if they don’t need it. Like PMS but all the time.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by rclark » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:48 am

Hairblues wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:21 pm
But women I know who take progesterone feel crazy on it if they don’t need it. Like PMS but all the time.
In some scientific papers, Progesterone causes type II diabetes (or can cause it).

http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/c ... 9.full.pdf

Eventually I will have to taper down.

My personality is introverted, and I have to say, that Progesterone doesn't help
it at all.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by Hairblues » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:49 am

rclark wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:48 am
In some scientific papers, Progesterone causes type II diabetes (or can cause it).

http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/c ... 9.full.pdf

Eventually I will have to taper down.

My personality is introverted, and I have to say, that Progesterone doesn't help
it at all.
I’m actually surprised youre introverted.
I’m afraid progesterone would mess with my period cycle too much I have to look into the dose vs sides.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by rclark » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:09 am

Hairblues wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:49 am
I’m actually surprised youre introverted.
I’m afraid progesterone would mess with my period cycle too much I have to look into the dose vs sides.
Progesterone has interesting side effects in vitro, before birth. There was a Danish
study that reported two things.

1. In mothers taking it during pregnancy, men had a higher chance of having
sexual attraction towards men. This does NOT apply to me, because I have
no desire to be with a man.

2. What is really interesting, is it had the OPPOSITE effect with women. It turns
out that women are more likely to have attraction for other women, and at the
very least be bisexual.

That doesn't necessarily equate to feminization, or masulization. It just means
that Progesterone is a chemical that causes bonding emotions, and that they
were more likely to bond with more people.

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Re: 2017 Topical Finasteride/Progesterone picture

Post by Hairblues » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:18 am

rclark wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:09 am
Progesterone has interesting side effects in vitro, before birth. There was a Danish
study that reported two things.

1. In mothers taking it during pregnancy, men had a higher chance of having
sexual attraction towards men. This does NOT apply to me, because I have
no desire to be with a man.

2. What is really interesting, is it had the OPPOSITE effect with women. It turns
out that women are more likely to have attraction for other women, and at the
very least be bisexual.

That doesn't necessarily equate to feminization, or masulization. It just means
that Progesterone is a chemical that causes bonding emotions, and that they
were more likely to bond with more people.
Yeah I just don’t want it to make my period irregular or make me a raging bitch.

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Re: Topical Finasteride, progesterone and shedding

Post by rclark » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:12 pm

Marki wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:01 pm
"No, the Progesterone keeps all of my hair in."

What about when you went off it, did you lose the gains?

Or are you saying you went off E but stayed on P?
Did not have much gains, but I kept
them.

I have been on Progesterone since
2016.

I still take it.

I only took Estrogen for two months.

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Re: Topical Finasteride, progesterone and shedding

Post by Marki » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:46 pm

rclark wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:12 pm
Did not have much gains, but I kept
them.

I have been on Progesterone since
2016.

I still take it.

I only took Estrogen for two months.
Ya I think with your hair now you'd have to go bridgeburn route to reach Bonjouvi status. But i think in your 40's is the best time to do it, since T starts to drop off in mid life so maintaining would be easier. If you did T building sports in your youth that might be a strong precursor to male pattern baldness.

Scenes like these are common among athletes, body gets bigger while mane shrinks:
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Re: Study shows Topical works and has less side effects

Post by rclark » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:05 am

It works just as well. Although twelve of the men, out of forty five, had less density when
switching from oral to topical, The majority had improvements, and some had gain almost
all of their hair back.

This is .1%, which equals one milligram.

Please see the link below. The study was done in India.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4314881/

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Re: Topical Finasteride, progesterone and shedding

Post by rclark » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:15 pm

Marki wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:46 pm
Ya I think with your hair now you'd have to go bridgeburn route to reach Bonjouvi status. But i think in your 40's is the best time to do it, since T starts to drop off in mid life so maintaining would be easier. If you did T building sports in your youth that might be a strong precursor to male pattern baldness.
Hormones definitely do have a negative effect on hair. Most
of my hairloss was in my twenties, when I had a lot more testosterone/
DHT than I do know.

It's too late for my scalp to become Bonjouvi status.
Lindsey Buckingham status is possible though.
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Unfortunately my hairline has expired. I can get density
back on my vertex area, but that's it.

Buckingham was smart about his transplant. He only did
the parts that he had to "get by".

When you see him in interviews now, he has a symmetrical
hairline. And it's thick because he didn't "over extend" his transplant.

And I'm happy with Norwood three, as I am close to fifty. If I had
Norwood four or higher in my twenties or thirties, I would
of gotten a transplant to take care of it.
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