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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:43 pm

I normally always talk about the donor countries when dealing with someone who has that typical 2 dimensional "build love not walls!" open border mentality. So they're sending us their best and brightest (debatable) so uh, what about the people/economy remaining in their country? Is the inevitable goal to just import the entire country and set it up again on a new land?

It's particularly hitting countries like Libya which has been screwed enough as it is, but the middle class (their standards of middle class) are leaving in huge numbers. Keep in mind the majority of Libyan people aren't literate in their own language, so higher skilled people are greatly needed, but those are the ones who can build up a few thousand euro to get smuggled over to Europe. And from there? They do low skilled jobs if lucky, large amounts end up pointlessly on welfare in makeshift communities (often slums, if somewhat modern), wondering where this Utopia of Europe is. Hundreds of miles from home and the culture they know, and could have contributed to.

By the way people still take issues with gays and gay marriage in particular because they believe it promotes the destruction of the nuclear family. This is obviously one that can be debated in a lot of ways but they would point to statistics involving single parent (female, almost always) homes and it's impact on having 1 gender as an influence and no father figure (hugely cited as an issue in black communities for decades, no role model except the crack dealer who just got another new car).

So people on the left would argue that this isn't a gender issue, it's simply a quantity issue, you literally have half the amount of parental care and advice. I know that sounds simple but there's a point there too, parenting can be stressful, even the act of keeping your damn kids calm/stimulated is physically demanding and tiring, one person doing that all the time and then also expected to really listen to their kid at all times and look for signs that they could offer life advice?

So at this moment I don't care about gay marriage, let em do what they want, and until some more concrete research comes in, I don't care about same sex adoption, right now I don't see why 2 parents of the same gender would be definitely bad. I can understand the concern though, for gay males people point out that the gays are much more relaxed on the issue of monogamy. This type of partner swapping isn't a healthy environment for any wife swapping straight couple either, eventually it runs in to problems and that reflects on their parenting, it's just seedy and can cause psychological affects. Lesbians don't have this issue as much however, for whatever reason lesbian couples have extraordinarily high domestic abuse cases, and of course in turn this will inevitably be turned on their adoptive children.

Or that's the theory anyway. I'm not convinced, but there is a worrying blind eye being turned to same sex adoptive parents, the rules clearly are not as rigorous because no social worker or board wants to be deemed bigots. There was a story this year of a lesbian couple who drove off a cliff with their 6 adopted children in the back, killing everyone, people on the right pointed at this story as a flag of the idea I just wrote above, and fine fair enough but for me 1 single story shouldn't represent every single lesbian couple as prospective parents. I don't blame anyone for seeing it as relevant though.

Anyway the part of that story that troubled me more was that one of these parents had previously plead guilty to child abuse, they were both reported by neighbours a handful of times about starving and abusing their children (they had moved around state to state a few times before the murder-suicide to escape further investigation, amazingly pulling stunts like saying the KKK put a cross in their yard as their children was black).

Would a straight couple be allowed to keep their children and actually continue adopting more? No, and damn right they shouldn't.

That's more of a clear issue than anything, diversity quotas even in government evaluations, they gotta let the gays take part too, even the ones who are clearly a danger to society.

Just finally in relation to what ThatGuy said about quotas in his line of work, Trump recently just scrapped Obama's racist affirmative action policy in universities. I would imagine this would be an attitude he'll continue in the work place, it is baffling how the media reaction is calling it white supremacist, when really it's the Asians that were getting turned away in numbers despite having scores way above the requirements (actually has affected a lot of Asians who had to resort to going to shittier universities, while the cast of Dangerous Minds got accepted to Brown and Yale for completing a community college module).

He may need some sort of order or bill to show there's a replacement for the old system. I saw one commentator talking about a double dip of anonymity when it comes to selecting students, I don't know the ins and outs but it's basically that the university doesn't even get the person's name, it's all based on merit.

Of course this will still trouble the extreme left, one of the funniest things I've read of which, on a test regarding whether certain sentences where offensive, a lot of them selected "I feel the best qualified candidate deserves to get the job". Triggered!
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by DerPapillus » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:44 pm

pjhair wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:32 pm
David, have you read Steven Pinkers acclaimed book "Better Angels of Our Nature" ? In the book he has argued we are living in a golden period of history where violence is at it lowest than any other time, people are healthier, happier, etc. He does so by siting massive amount of data and studies. I haven't finished the book though as I got distracted by Roger Penroses book on consciousness and why AI can never achieve it, a topic I find far, far more interesting.
Thank you for the tip!

About the fact that people are healthier;
This is very, very true. In fact, it's scary as to how true it is. It has been such a long time
since a true pandemic (microbic,bacteriologic or parasitologic) that has wiped out a good
proportion of the human population, like the one of Yersinia pestis.

The question is not if, but when sadly. With all our medical and technologic knowlegde and
resources, we're in fact more vulnerable than ever because of many factors, ones most
important being globalization and connectivity & a rather homogenous immune system
with bacteria resistence being the biggest culprit.

The next big pandemic will be of ''biblical proportions'', maybe even more extreme.

I always recommende the book from Bill Bryson - A short history of nearly everything.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:46 pm

pjhair wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:32 pm
David, have you read Steven Pinkers acclaimed book "Better Angels of Our Nature" ? In the book he has argued we are living in a golden period of history where violence is at it lowest than any other time, people are healthier, happier, etc. He does so by siting massive amount of data and studies. I haven't finished the book though as I got distracted by Roger Penroses book on consciousness and why AI can never achieve it, a topic I find far, far more interesting.
I own Pinkers book but haven't read it (only got it recently and my fucked up working hours often make it hard for me generally to get in to a book, but that's changing shortly so I should get a chance).

However I'm intrigued more by that 2nd one, never even heard of him. Also sounds kind of reassuring.
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

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pjhair wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:32 pm
David, have you read Steven Pinkers acclaimed book "Better Angels of Our Nature" ? In the book he has argued we are living in a golden period of history where violence is at it lowest than any other time, people are healthier, happier, etc. He does so by siting massive amount of data and studies. I haven't finished the book though as I got distracted by Roger Penroses book on consciousness and why AI can never achieve it, a topic I find far, far more interesting.
But muh Hegelian dialectic, Hobbesian nightmare and historical materialism (Marxiiism!). The world is turning to shit, always has been and we're all doomed anyway.

Thank God I have enough experience with nihilism, hopelessness and depression to know where those (wrong) presuppositions and worldviews come from.
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:53 pm

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The world is turning to shit, always has been and we're all doomed anyway
Ironically that you're saying this, because this argument for me (especially when said fleetingly) is like the inverted argument for a socialist Utopia, and has about as much value and thought behind it.
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by pjhair » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:06 pm

Rudiger wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:46 pm
However I'm intrigued more by that 2nd one, never even heard of him. Also sounds kind of reassuring.
Roger Penrose is a brilliant mathematical physicist and emeritus professor of Mathematics at Oxford. He is well known for the contribution that he has made to Mathematics, Physics and cosmology and has worked with the likes of Stephen Hawkings. The name of the book that I am reading is Emperors New Mind. In the book he argues that human level intelligence can never be replicated in machines. He uses mathematics, physics an philosophy to state his argument. He also wrote a follow up book called Shadows of the mind to respond to the counter arguments made against his first book.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by pjhair » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:12 pm

DerPapillus wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:44 pm
I always recommende the book from Bill Bryson - A short history of nearly everything.

Cheers
Thanks! I will check the book out.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:14 pm

pjhair wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:06 pm
Roger Penrose is a brilliant mathematical physicist and emeritus professor of Mathematics at Oxford. He is well known for the contribution that he has made to Mathematics, Physics and cosmology and has worked with the likes of Stephen Hawkings. The name of the book that I am reading is Emperors New Mind. In the book he argues that human level intelligence can never be replicated in machines. He uses mathematics, physics an philosophy to state his argument. He also wrote a follow up book called Shadows of the mind to respond to the counter arguments made against his first book.
I just ordered it and Bill Bryson as well.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Hairblues » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:51 pm

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Did I miss a post or something? When did he say anything about "beef with Latins"? Asking if their poverty offends him makes you sound irrational and like a ranting libtard. I mean even if it turns out he actually does hate them, you sound like you want him to hate them to have something to argue about with rhetorical questions you don't actually want an answer about. Harsh but true.

Oddly I think I mentioned Eastern European gangs in America a few pages back. The rules haven't changed for white people or people of any colour, illegal immigration is not welcome, and the borders are no more open to Europeans than they are to Mexicans (less so, actually, Mexico being a neighbour). They (the media) tried to vaguely tie in Trump with the Russian mafia, of course that was the first and last mention of it.

I'm wondering what it is that makes you think he's tolerating this kind of crime syndicate, I mean he doesn't have to specify every single type of crime going on as "bad". There's like 20,000 gangs from Mexico and Central America making up the majority of gangs in your country, I don't know what goes on inside Trump's head but if he is putting Russian gangs on the back burner, I don't blame him.

But you don't know what's going on either, I don't assume someone is being racist unless they clearly say or do something that provides evidence of such a thing. It's a harsh conclusion to jump to and I believe everyone is so incredibly quick to do it because they want to believe their own virtue. Unfortunately he has yet to say anything that proves he's a supremacist, even more unfortunate is that you and many others have this weird compulsion to hope your president just hates brown people.

And not just your president, but hope that the reason he won an election is because there's so many racists out there, which is madness. I'd even say the way you're suggesting things about Fred is still hoping for racism, praying for it.

But no, illegal immigration is a massive issue, possibly even moreso in the EU than America (but I know this place more closely so who knows) and mass immigration without any form of assimilation is another massive issue. It's not healthy for the country accepting of them, the donor country, and the people immigrating themselves often are sold a false dream.

I sound like a ranting libtard???

Okay guys was nice catching up with you

Adios :)

I’m not mad but I’m not really into things like this anymore and genuinely wish you all the best.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:07 pm

Hairblues wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:51 pm
I sound like a ranting libtard???

Okay guys was nice catching up with you

Adios :)

I’m not mad but I’m not really into things like this anymore and genuinely wish you all the best.

Take care
Well great now it just looks like I kicked you off here. I know that's not the case but for sure how some will remember it.

But yes that's sure what it sounded like, I don't know your views well enough to know you actually are a raging libtard, but when you ask a bunch of questions like that and seemed very presumptuous then yes, that's how it comes off. It's worth keeping in mind outside of these little corners of the internet as well, because it's really unfair to use such blanket rhetoric about people (and like I said before, for all I know Fred is completely what you're alluding to, but not everyone who is right wing/centrist is so it's important to not jump to conclusions).
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Hairblues » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:17 pm

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Well great now it just looks like I kicked you off here. I know that's not the case but for sure how some will remember it.

But yes that's sure what it sounded like, I don't know your views well enough to know you actually are a raging libtard, but when you ask a bunch of questions like that and seemed very presumptuous then yes, that's how it comes off. It's worth keeping in mind outside of these little corners of the internet as well, because it's really unfair to use such blanket rhetoric about people (and like I said before, for all I know Fred is completely what you're alluding to, but not everyone who is right wing/centrist is so it's important to not jump to conclusions).


You didn’t kick me off and no one should make you feel that way. But I’m not into the name calling.
Nothing about my post was disrespectful to him it wa genuine curiosity based on several years of discussions with him and a reply to his post to me.
and he didn’t even bother to answer it.
You did and he liked what you posted as well.
I didn’t even read your post..why? Because I don’t really want to entertain someone who I thought was my ‘friend’ calling me a ‘libtard’ it feels hurtful and disrespectful.
So I stopped reading.
Maybe you don’t mean it that way, I don’t know but it came off like a slap in the face.

I think it’s just time for me to move on. I asked Admin to delete my account.. I don’t think you guys really want an opposing opinion. You react so viscioulu angry when you hear one.
I just don’t think I belong here.
I genuinely wish you guys well I asked Fred to delete my account.

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:22 pm

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Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:17 pm
You didn’t kick me off and no one should make you feel that way. But I’m not into the name calling.
Nothing about my post was disrespectful to him it wa genuine curiosity based on several years of discussions with him and a reply to his post to me.
and he didn’t even bother to answer it.
You did and he liked what you posted as well.
I didn’t even read your post..why? Because I don’t really want to entertain someone who I thought was my ‘friend’ calling me a ‘libtard’ it feels hurtful and disrespectful.
So I stopped reading.
Maybe you don’t mean it that way, I don’t know but it came off like a slap in the face.

I think it’s just time for me to move on. I asked Admin to delete my account.. I don’t think you guys really want an opposing opinion. You react so viscioulu angry when you hear one.
I just don’t think I belong here.
I genuinely wish you guys well I asked Fred to delete my account.
I definitely don't want to write something that comes off like a slap in the face, and I am sorry for writing that. I do consider you a friend on here for sure, I guess maybe you weren't in to the forum stuff at this time and my comment didn't help. But regardless if you ever reconsider I'd want you back here, don't care about opposing opinions.

But again I wouldn't write something just to piss you off or humiliate or anything.
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Hairblues » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:45 pm

Rudiger wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:22 pm
I definitely don't want to write something that comes off like a slap in the face, and I am sorry for writing that. I do consider you a friend on here for sure, I guess maybe you weren't in to the forum stuff at this time and my comment didn't help. But regardless if you ever reconsider I'd want you back here, don't care about opposing opinions.

But again I wouldn't write something just to piss you off or humiliate or anything.
Thank you for apologizing
I just don’t want to have flame wars with people. I want to be able to discuss stuff without being categorized as something you all already see negatively. (Liberal it’s uaes like a dirty word here)
I’m liberal leaning I think David is as well and so are a few others. And I think even we have issues with some extreme liberals..yet we are all looped together as if we are on view point.
And that’s hard to discuss stuff with people who I respect (most of you guys) but don’t agree with and it’s like I’m either ignored or called a name. So yes I’m human and when it’s people I care about and respect it hurts.
If it’s people I don’t like or don’t really care about I don’t care. So yeah it made me a little emo (I’m a damn snowflake lol)

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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Rudiger » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:59 pm

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Thank you for apologizing
I just don’t want to have flame wars with people. I want to be able to discuss stuff without being categorized as something you all already see negatively. (Liberal it’s uaes like a dirty word here)
I’m liberal leaning I think David is as well and so are a few others. And I think even we have issues with some extreme liberals..yet we are all looped together as if we are on view point.
And that’s hard to discuss stuff with people who I respect (most of you guys) but don’t agree with and it’s like I’m either ignored or called a name. So yes I’m human and when it’s people I care about and respect it hurts.
If it’s people I don’t like or don’t really care about I don’t care. So yeah it made me a little emo (I’m a damn snowflake lol)
Not to take away from my apology because it was out of order and not justified, but I also was emo about some of the things you said (I already specified previously so no need to dwell on it) and reacted badly because here in Ireland and also the culture in most of the UK, Liberal is definitely not an insult. Anything Trump related definitely is, in fact anything other than repeatedly calling him an idiot and a Nazi is proof that you're literally Hitler. Even if someone was to hate him, morally think he's a bigot, sexist, everything, but also still think he must have some form of intelligence - stop there, that's supporting a fascist. Not good enough.

So I'm always hearing stuff about him and nobody really wants to talk about it in detail, just say he's separating brown kids from their parents he must be a Nazi, so you have another take on this, but of course they don't want to hear. It sounds like you're justifying a horrific dictator, end of story.

Maybe being called liberal or libtard might be hurtful in some contexts, but being constantly seen as a Nazi is really awful too. So I'm very sensitive when talking about these things or in this case reading posts, if I feel there's a hint of assumptions or talking about the right as if it's thoughtless and uncaring in all ways, I am very responsive to that.
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Re: Joe Rogan talks about baldness

Post by Afro_Vacancy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:18 pm

We need not be angry at each other in here, as there are no actual policymakers here. We're just private citizens with incomplete knowledge of all of the facts and zero actual political power.

I used to be angry about the world going to shit. On some level I still am, but I can't afford to be really, as there's nothing that I can do to stop it if I'm right.

I do think that everyone here wants a better overall outcome for the general population.

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