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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Imagine being so blind and gullible that you actually think democracy isn't a sham and that it's not gamed.

It's not like the DNC was rigged against Bernie before or anything.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ed-emails/

It's not like election fraud is extremely common or anything

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/stat ... 94315.html



By the fact that elections are determined by those who count the votes and by the fact that the subversive force can and do split their camp into both sides.

Tell me, how'd Brexit work out? Isn't that the most pure expression of what you believe in? It was a public referendum, and what the people voted to have happen, has not happened in going on 4 years and 1 PM resignation later. Seems like certain governmental and bureaucratic forces under certain corporate and private sponsor are doing everything they can to delay and eventually stop it entirely.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... e-of-lords

Remember that just over 100 years ago, as a monarchy, Great Britain was the most powerful country on Earth. Today, under democracy, they are an Orwellian, borderline police state that can't so much as leave the EU.

Now, let's look at the US

First, it's not like Jewish corporations have any stake in these people at all. Sometimes multiple candidates.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00023864

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... 0000528%5C

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00001669

You're not voting for Bernie, Trump or Biden or whatever. You're voting for Microsoft, Walt Disney, Banks, etc.

Now how about Trump himself? He's the most openly-zionist president the US has ever known; more so than even the Clintons and more so than Hilary would've been. SHOCK when he, against all odds, won, wasn't it?

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... ys-analyst

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ans-077798

https://www.heritage.org/religious-libe ... ct-us-jews

If you believe that the Jewish companies backing him (and his own Jewish son-in-law) didn't know he was one of their guys before endorsing him, you're simply delusional.

Even Salvini sucks Jew dicks.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200 ... ction-bid/

They can lie, manufacture scandals, assassinate, blackmail and do everything else they want to win.

You know what else they can do? Demographically-replace the only Conservative voting bloc, which they have done to such a degree, via pro-replacement candidates in both parties, that you'll soon never see another republican president in the USA.

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Tell me, how many Jews (or at least zionists) are running for president in the party opposite Trump right now? The party that will soon win forever once Trump has served his limit and so the illusion of the rule of law will be upheld? Seems to me that all of them are.

If you somehow still kid yourself into not believing it, answer this honestly:

If a man like Hitler, who is aware of the Jewish and demographic problems were to run for president today, and he had the super-majority of the vote, do you think it's likely he'd wind up like JFK or no?
You're talking about rich coorperations, which I agree. There is a lot of corruption in the
United States politics.

George W Bush's father had an entire oil company, and he invaded Iraq to get all of their oil. Dick Cheney
is another oil company CEO.

Bill Clinton allowed outsourcing, and got his money through those means. He is the President
that allowed the NAFTA act. He was President during the Internet boom in the 1990s.

Trump is making his money off his hotel chain, and his gambling casinos. He is trying to make
it legal for American CEOs to bribe other countries for business deals.

A light of Christian groups control politics to. This is especially true on the Republican side. In addition,
large campaign donors often get big political positions.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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rclark wrote:
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You're talking about rich coorperations, which I agree. There is a lot of corruption in the
United States politics.

George W Bush's father had an entire oil company, and he invaded Iraq to get all of their oil. Dick Cheney
is another oil company CEO.

Bill Clinton allowed outsourcing, and got his money through those means. He is the President
that allowed the NAFTA act. He was President during the Internet boom in the 1990s.

Trump is making his money off his hotel chain, and his gambling casinos. He is trying to make
it legal for American CEOs to bribe other countries for business deals.

A light of Christian groups control politics to. This is especially true on the Republican side. In addition,
large campaign donors often get big political positions.
Yes — rich, Jewish corporations and literally every candidate worships Jews or is ethnically Jewish. Trump just worships them the most.

Put simply: Any candidate who'd openly or implicitly denounce Jewish control over America and Israel would not be permitted to win. Votes would be fucked with, people assassinated, propaganda campaigns, etc.

These people are as nepotistic as it gets; they have connections in literally every major political party, media and industry. They have, and always have done, whatever it takes to ensure they get the most favorable result. The worst punishment that exists for Jews is to send them all to Israel and they know this. They have bitched about how "then we're all in one place!"

Yeah, that's the fucking idea; cut out the parasite and give it its own home.

Also, lol at "christian campaign donors".

Christianity is a Jewish sect. It literally worships Jews. In fact, Catholics argue that they are actually the real jews.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/if-jesus-wa ... e-catholic

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Christianity is a Jewish sect.
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Separately, a lot of left of center people are in uproar because Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders and Sanders failed to denounce Rogan.

I wonder if Sanders is going to cave or stand his ground.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Your condition is worsening.
Lmfao now you're seriously going to try and get people to believe that Christianity is not of Jewish origins?

https://www.ancient.eu/article/1205/early-christianity/

You think you can just be like "No. You're crazy. 4Chan." and then expect everyone else to fall in line with your interpretation of reality.

Sadly though, I can't blame you, as a number of users on here do just that. If they didn't, it'd be anti-semitic of course.

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Lmfao now you're seriously going to try and get people to believe that Christianity is not of Jewish origins?

https://www.ancient.eu/article/1205/early-christianity/

You think you can just be like "No. You're crazy. 4Chan." and then expect everyone else to fall in line with your interpretation of reality.

Sadly though, I can't blame you, as a number of users on here do just that. If they didn't, it'd be anti-semitic of course.
All reasonably educated people know that Christianity broke off from Judaism sometime around 200 AD. It now has different practices, different places of worship, a different structure and set of rules for its "priests", and a different theology.

To call Christianity "a Jewish sect" is equivalent to calling you a fish due to mammals having evolved in the oceans. Similarly, you are not Black in spite of your ancestors having come from Africa. Two object, or groups, or concepts can start off with common origins and proceed to become different.

Your points and your reasoning are becoming more and more unhinged and even though you don't believe me, I worry about you. I'm not writing for everybody else, I'm writing for you, and I wish that more people here would look out for you I actually do want you to get better, and I am recalling that as recently as ~6 months ago you were sounding like a saner person when you were dating that 19 year-old you met in that shop. All you talk about now is your ridiculous world view and paranoid conspiracy theories. You used to be a lot more interesting but you've stopped writing about other things.

As an example, you have a deep loathing for men your age who are into fictional properties like geek Marvel and Star Wars -- Do you not see the irony? You too are passionate about fiction, and you spend just as much time on memes and in fan communities as they do.

I encourage you to get a better job, hang out with some real life people, read some novels, go on some dates, go lift weights or do a sport, etc.

What you might start with is review some of your writing from five years ago if you can find enough of it, and compare. You will likely find that at the very least you were more rigorous.

For now, seeing you like this bothers me. So unless someone else brings up your posts, I'll be inclined to leave you aside for a while.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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All reasonably educated people know that Christianity broke off from Judaism sometime around 200 AD. It now has different practices, different places of worship, a different structure and set of rules for its "priests", and a different theology.

To call Christianity "a Jewish sect" is equivalent to calling you a fish due to mammals having evolved in the oceans. Similarly, you are not Black in spite of your ancestors having come from Africa. Two object, or groups, or concepts can start off with common origins and proceed to become different.

Your points and your reasoning are becoming more and more unhinged and even though you don't believe me, I worry about you. I'm not writing for everybody else, I'm writing for you, and I wish that more people here would look out for you I actually do want you to get better, and I am recalling that as recently as ~6 months ago you were sounding like a saner person when you were dating that 19 year-old you met in that shop. All you talk about now is your ridiculous world view and paranoid conspiracy theories. You used to be a lot more interesting but you've stopped writing about other things.

As an example, you have a deep loathing for men your age who are into fictional properties like geek Marvel and Star Wars -- Do you not see the irony? You too are passionate about fiction, and you spend just as much time on memes and in fan communities as they do.

I encourage you to get a better job, hang out with some real life people, read some novels, go on some dates, go lift weights or do a sport, etc.

What you might start with is review some of your writing from five years ago if you can find enough of it, and compare. You will likely find that at the very least you were more rigorous.

For now, seeing you like this bothers me. So unless someone else brings up your posts, I'll be inclined to leave you aside for a while.
Christianity is literally about worshiping the teachings of, and material self of, a Jewish man.

His followers were some Jews who believed he was the prophesied messiah.

The texts of the Hebrew Bible overlap with the Christian old testament. The sunday-school mythology we're all familiar with, is of Jewish origin and follows Jewish protagonists. Christianity is an "Abrahamic religion".

All reasonably educated people know this. Christianity is a child of Judaism.

Now, continue to hurl conjectured character attacks and ridiculous animal comparisons. It's your only defense.

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Christianity is literally about worshiping the teachings of, and material self of, a Jewish man.

His followers were some Jews who believed he was the prophesied messiah.

The texts of the Hebrew Bible overlap with the Christian old testament. The sunday-school mythology we're all familiar with, is of Jewish origin and follows Jewish protagonists. Christianity is an "Abrahamic religion".

All reasonably educated people know this. Christianity is a child of Judaism.

Now, continue to hurl conjectured character attacks and ridiculous animal comparisons. It's your only defense.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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What do you think of Bernie's policies?

So personally, I like them, but I assume that he wouldn't be able to get them passed. He's advocating for "revolution" like it's cute, but in practice there are no pure ruling class revolutions. They always need to have some support among the elites. All revolutions involve one section of the elite usurping another by leveraging support among the people, often with compensation for the people, but always with the promise of compensation.

Warren would be less revolutionary bit she's demonstrated an ability to work within the system. She has also not had a heart attack.
This is obviously a very complex question but overall the problems are they appear on an economic level more intended to simply move as far to the left as possible, significantly further left than any of the Nordic States even without concern for potential consequences, or even results. I'm not even sure he is aware of this as he still seems to advertise himself with reference to countries like this which are nowhere near as left as the country he is proposing.

In terms of the worst offenders, his equities and derivatives tax would destroy the finance industry, they are by far the most intensive in the world and it would not longer be possible to list a company in the United States. Trading stocks or investing in stocks would no longer be feasible unless for ultra long term.

The wealth tax would potentially put total taxes for many billionaires and extremely wealthy individuals close to or above 100% PA taxes, this has failed internationally because money gets hidden, sent overseas or people simply leave the country. That's 100% PA taxes for ultra wealthy, on top of an estate tax that caps out at 77%, the highest in the world. Again, I've talked to many leftists about the policy and their logic solely amounts to "the wealthy don't pay their fair share", well when people over $100 million dollars are paying close to 100% in total taxes per year on top of incurring a the highest wealth tax in the world, they will simply leave the country. People don't get to a position of people one of the best in the world at accumulating wealth, only to accept that at a certain point they'll be losing money every single year even while working and running a business, then sending a fat check to the government when they die. Its absurd. I don't necessarily object to a wealth tax or an estate tax as a whole, but the numbers Bernie is using are clearly calculated by people who don't understand the implications of their numbers to begin with. Nor is a wealth tax even a particularly effective means of raising revenue to begin with, if you taxed 100% of the wealth of every billionare in the country I don't even think it would pay for a single year of Bernie's M4A plan. Nor does the wealth tax account for scenarios of growing companies that currently aren't profitable, run by those that own the company. They'd be forced to sell down ownership in a company they created that is currently losing money to pay a wealth tax.

Add these to the biggest corporate tax rate in the Western world, it would be potentially cheaper to move companies like Apple and pay hundreds of thousands to key workers to relocate than remain in the US, on top of the fact that their execs likely would be incentivized by the huge income, capital gains and wealth taxes they would incur. Not simply cheaper over the long term, but literally cheaper within a few years if you look at the numbers. Many of the big tech companies in the US are sitting on huge cash piles with very low debt which also potentially makes this feasible.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcom ... erica-all/

People talk about his consistency, well there's nothing consistent about his previous stance on immigration and labour policy even four years ago compared to today. A pathway to citizenship for all immigrants, breaking up ICE, the most comprehensive healthcare system globally offered even to undocumented immigrants, increasing refugee intake by 10x, decriminalising undocumented border crossings etc. On this issue alone I couldn't care less about his other policies at that point even if I agreed with him on every issue, he horrifically dangerous and people supporting this are taking a big shit on the future of their country. Four years ago he would have called this a Koch brothers scam, but he ceased giving a shit because as per usual he's too busy giving into all and every demand of the most extremist, pseudo-woke twitter progressive manifesto. Worst it shows a lack of coherence in his overall ideology, more interest in virtue signalling than results. No genuine left-winger can support this. Nor does it bode well for his potential approach to foreign policy, as one who has clearly positioned themselves as cuck in-chief.

Other nonsense ideas include a federal jobs guarantee, again which isn't matched globally by how far left it is, on top of the fact that his national minimum wage for these workers would be the highest in the world.

And of course you know I'd despise his climate policy and the idea of creating millions of government jobs in some laughably absurd "green economy" of which there is no such thing. You run an economy and peoples lives WITH energy, you don't base an economy on energy. Hilarious thinking that everyone who wants a job no matter who they are will somehow realistically work in the renewables industry. I don't even need to mention how fiscally irresponsible I think his policies as a whole are. A fixed national minimum wage in my opinion is also problematic, even if currently it is clearly too low.

Warren is potentially more pragmatic, maybe even very much so behind closed doors but again I think her wealth tax and policies related to the financials industry are incredibly dangerous. Even if she doesn't believe in them to the extent she lets on. Forgiving student debt sounds like a good idea until you consider the moral hazard it creates and the fact that people who paid upfront or previously get absolutely fucked, and those that didn't bother to do so get tens/over a hundred thousand dollars. There's no way to make it fair. Considering my degree in Australia and the experiences of others here, I'm much closer to considering tertiary education not all that far away from a scam to enrich people running the university, especially with the influx of foreign students we invite in here for shitty degrees teaching coursework that is 5 years old and selling it for 30k a year. For areas in which there is a shortage of workers or educated, education should be subsidised,free education outside of that simply lets costs get out of control, allows universities to stop caring about valuable coursework that can't just be found on a fucking Google search and enriches those at the top of the university.

Most of Bernie's policies are moving in the right direction, however there just seems to be no care for fiscal responsibility or outcomes, rendering them untenable no matter how good any intentions are, or how bad the problems they seek to fix are. Much seems to be from a think tank dreaming up how far left they can go without being literal socialism. I'd also support a more comprehensive Australia style M4A system rather than Bernie's which removes private insurance entirely as well, which I don't believe its beneficial in any way related to costs and is much closer to socialist medicine than socialised medicine.

I also agree with you that the majority of his policies would not get passed in their current state. Its possible the compromises could ultimately produce some effective results, but I don't see a possibility of Bernie surrounding himself with an administration interested in any sort of pragmatism over smoothing out these absurdly left wing solutions.

The Democrat closest to someone I would support is Yang. I wouldn't be at all disappointed with a Yang presidency, he's consistently shown himself to be significantly more pragmatic and intelligent at managing ideals and outcomes. The core being UBI which in my opinion is the best means of distributing welfare, and a VAT tax which is the best means of extracting tax from big business and the wealthy. I'd much prefer if he was closer to a Trump on immigration but overall his policies are in a sensible direction and clearly thought through from a practical perspective. Most importantly and with reference to what you said, I think many of his proposals could be potentially be supported or accepted by the business community and ruling class also.

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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Any Western country naive enough to unconditionally open its borders to third world refugees will surely sink under the glorious weight of "diversity."

A poo pourri of misogyny and homophobia awaits. But hooray! it won't be white.
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A panel of 14 experts reviewed the health evidence for and against red meat and concluded that it was inconclusive, that they don't know if red meat is good or bad. That is a perfectly reasonable and legitimate scientific conclusion.

For that, they have come under attacks by militant vegan. A journal editor got 2,000 hostile emails in 30 minutes.

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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The problem is that some of the right-wingers here are just plain rude.

Some of the righties can converse without being rude and without attacking lefties on a personal level along with the entire left agenda in a rude way. Those righty posters (blackg and Afro for example) disagree politely and intelligently. Some of the other righties can't do that. They have a rude and confrontational debating style, at least when it comes to politics.

The righties who are rude not only argue the facts of the specific political matter being discussed; they also make personal insults at the leftie involved in the discussion and they ridicule the entire left agenda during the discussion, which is typically about one specific policy item. Of course they're allowed to do this during political debates but that type of behavior is what's causing big fights. The ruder righties should look at how Afro and blackg debate and use that for a template for debating. They stick to facts and they leave out personal attacks and attacks against the entire left-wing agenda.

All of the big fights between myself and 4 or 5 people all started as political differences. Every one of them. Now, I admit that in some cases I was the first to say something rude or inappropriate, but in some cases the poster(s) listed below started the shit because they got angry about my left-leaning politics. And sometimes the poster listed below started the shit by attacking everything in the entire leftward agenda in a rude/snide manner (Admin, I'm looking at you) instead of keeping the focus on the facts of the one specific issue being discussed.

1. JLBB - nastiest POS at this site. He isn't even ashamed of his political hatred since he's actually stated that 2 of the reasons he's had an obsessive 6-month tirade against me are my belief that lots of dems don't want Bernie Sanders to be the nominee because he's unelectable because he's a socialist AND my anti-Trump posts. Imagine that! These 2 issues are partly his own stated reasons for carrying on a pathological & obsessive 6-month tirade against another poster at some website.

2. Rudiger - a nasty rightie who takes offense when politically disagreed with and holds a grudge. Is capable of real hate against lefties.

3. Admin - Admin is virtually incapable of saying something about one specific left-wing policy problem without including needless snide remarks and attacking every leftward idea. He's a nasty rightie. I actually agree with a lot of what Admin says about the left's unwillingness to control immigration problems, although I do think that the left has seen the writing on the wall and is becoming more sensible on this issue. The reason I get into big arguments with Admin is because he can't keep his complaints about the left's immigration issues laser focused on that specific issue and he virtually always includes other crap in his snide/rude rants about the left's immigration mistakes.

There are a couple of other rightie posters who can't debate civilly but they haven't said enough nasty shit about me YET for me to take them to task. So I'm actually holding back my arguing by not getting into big fights with those rightie posters who are only mildly rude so far.

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Any Western country naive enough to unconditionally open its borders to third world refugees will surely sink under the glorious weight of "diversity."

A poo pourri of misogyny and homophobia awaits. But hooray! it won't be white.
As always, I agree that the border must be controlled and protected but i don't think an expensive wall will solve the problem. This isn't medieval times. What worked in the 1400s won't necessarily work today.

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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

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nameless wrote:
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The problem is that some of the right-wingers here are just plain rude.

Some of the righties can converse without being rude and without attacking lefties on a personal level along with the entire left agenda in a rude way. Those righty posters (blackg and Afro for example) disagree politely and intelligently. Some of the other righties can't do that. They have a rude and confrontational debating style, at least when it comes to politics.

The righties who are rude not only argue the facts of the specific political matter being discussed; they also make personal insults at the leftie involved in the discussion and they ridicule the entire left agenda during the discussion, which is typically about one specific policy item. Of course they're allowed to do this during political debates but that type of behavior is what's causing big fights. The ruder righties should look at how Afro and blackg debate and use that for a template for debating. They stick to facts and they leave out personal attacks and attacks against the entire left-wing agenda.

All of the big fights between myself and 4 or 5 people all started as political differences. Every one of them. Now, I admit that in some cases I was the first to say something rude or inappropriate, but in some cases the poster(s) listed below started the shit because they got angry about my left-leaning politics. And sometimes the poster listed below started the shit by attacking everything in the entire leftward agenda in a rude/snide manner (Admin, I'm looking at you) instead of keeping the focus on the facts of the one specific issue being discussed.

1. JLBB - nastiest POS at this site. He isn't even ashamed of his political hatred since he's actually stated that 2 of the reasons he's had an obsessive 6-month tirade against me are my belief that lots of dems don't want Bernie Sanders to be the nominee because he's unelectable because he's a socialist AND my anti-Trump posts. Imagine that! These 2 issues are partly his own stated reasons for carrying on a pathological & obsessive 6-month tirade against another poster at some website.

2. Rudiger - a nasty rightie who takes offense when politically disagreed with and holds a grudge. Is capable of real hate against lefties.

3. Admin - Admin is virtually incapable of saying something about one specific left-wing policy problem without including needless snide remarks and attacking every leftward idea. He's a nasty rightie. I actually agree with a lot of what Admin says about the left's unwillingness to control immigration problems, although I do think that the left has seen the writing on the wall and is becoming more sensible on this issue. The reason I get into big arguments with Admin is because he can't keep his complaints about the left's immigration issues laser focused on that specific issue and he virtually always includes other crap in his snide/rude rants about the left's immigration mistakes.

There are a couple of other rightie posters who can't debate civilly but they haven't said enough nasty shit about me YET for me to take them to task. So I'm actually holding back my arguing by not getting into big fights with those rightie posters who are only mildly rude so far.

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As always, I agree that the border must be controlled and protected but i don't think an expensive wall will solve the problem. This isn't medieval times. What worked in the 1400s won't necessarily work today.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

Post by Afro_Vacancy » 3 weeks ago

JLBB wrote:
3 weeks ago
@Yettee

The prose, utterly stunning. Its bringing me to tears.

@Afro_Vacancy

"Those righty posters (blackg and Afro for example) disagree politely and intelligently."

Lmfao
The most right wing things about my recent posting history:

- I like red meat, and I have written against veganism.
- I'm not an IDpol fundamentalist.
- I would like to see immigration reduced.
- I thought that Joker was a good film.

So not much. I think that @nameless is misinterpreting my Hillary skepticism from a few years ago.
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Re: Making sense of the current political climate

Post by blackg » 3 weeks ago

JLBB wrote:
3 weeks ago
@Yettee

The prose, utterly stunning. Its bringing me to tears.

@Afro_Vacancy

"Those righty posters (blackg and Afro for example) disagree politely and intelligently."

Lmfao
It was your homoerotic obsession with nameless that started all this.
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