JeanLucBB wrote: ↑
4 months ago
Interestingly from my case I became an increasingly more hardcore Trump supporter over time specifically because I mainly consume centre-left independent media on Youtube for news. I've always found Youtube conservatives fucking terrible to listen to and too influenced by christian conservatism with an utter lack of populism. Most seem like uncool virgins who were picked on in school, and born with silver spoons in their mouths. I don't think their positions particularly on social policy have any long term potential in the political world going forward because of that. Namely the Ben Shapiro types. Despite that it means that most of my focus is on how utterly irresponsible and and intent on virtue signalling those on the left are seeing as I watch them 90% of the time.
I would support a centre-left candidate if they were actually responsible and cared about outcomes for the average citizen, but just for a few examples supporting drastically higher energy prices and destroying the energy grid (like the left have done in my state in Australia), mass immigration, supporting a minimum wage of $15 that would literally destroy thousands of businesses based on their current profit margins overnight and usher in huge increases in automation (when instead they could cut the virtue signalling dog shit and go for a negative income tax system which would achieve the same result without destroying businesses) just makes it clear they aren't interested in populist outcomes. They're interested in virtue signalling for the brainwashed, positive outcomes for the working and middle class be damned.
I do increasingly feel there are "no intelligent liberals" in the sense that virtually under none of their policies would the desired outcome be achieved. For example the minimum wage increase vs negative income tax debate is never discussed because being the NPCs the minimum wage line has already been permanently input and they'd sooner take it to the grave than actually process a single genuine thought for themselves and come up with something that could work without actually harming those they're trying to help. There are some like Jimmy Dore or Secular Talk on Youtube who are honest people and genuinely want to help achieve a grassroots, working - middle class revolution with populist policy, but ultimately they regularly they fall into the NPC trap of simply attacking anything Trump supports even if it hurts their cause like on immigration. It's certainly possible to achieve a centre-left revolution and more liberalised social policy in the United States, but its not happening if you effectively advocate for open borders, ending energy security with a war on baseload fossil fuels, giant noncompetitive corporate tax rates and taxes on the rich to the point they'd leave the country. No one is fucking saying that though, they'd rather spend their time calling Trump a fascist while simultaneously advocating for physical violence.
I also had the same experience with new atheists and atheism in general. Looking back I look at some of the key figures like Sam Harris and in particular the reality is he's a pseudo-intellectual degenerate who completely put me off the movement also. He's just as fervently religious in his political thought as any Christian, which he made as clear as possible on the Kavanugh issue recently. No "intellectual" topic more light weight than atheism.
Ultimately there is a lot that can be done to improve the lives of the average American I would like that Trump won't engage in like single payer healthcare, a zero interest college loan system, ending the drug war etc, but it sure beats how utterly reckless the Bernie branch of the Democrats are. Or the self-entitled, do-nothing, virtue signalling centre right fake populism of Obama. Virtually nothing Trump has done has put the country in a worse position than under Obama, the same can't be said for what a globalist Hillary or the economically genocidal policies of Bernie would result in.
I actually think it was left wing YouTubers that got me in to the right, ironically enough but not surprising. That's actually a major aspect I had overlooked in my description of my "red pill journey" in the post above, it actually all started for me from when I found Liberal YouTube channels.
I actually wanted to engage in my hatred of Trump by understanding more about why I hate him, I particularly liked Sam Seder (not that well known), David Pakman, I do think Secular Talk is closer to sanity than say Young Turks, but they're all going to push you away from the left. Leftists don't even realise how much they push support from the left, and increasingly I see videos being posted from people about "why I left the Left", and the reason?
Liberal ideology is becoming more about extremism. The core principals don't really matter anymore, as long as you are being more and more progressive (or what they view as "progressive") it's not enough to welcome immigration, you have to like all forms of immigration, including breaking the law and encouraging migrants to make dangerous life threatening journeys to get near the border. You have to believe that current illegals should be able to vote, basically just give them all of the rights, let the problems from their own country be exported to yours. If you don't see it this way you are heartless. You need to feel just as extreme on issues such as socialism, and LGBT rights, if you show even a flicker of disagreement or questioning then you are scum. Antifa should have their way with you, and although most won't admit it publicly, of course they absolutely condone that sort of violence, we need to kill the Nazi's before they kill us!!
I mentioned Pakman before and he's a very popular Liberal youtuber/presenter, and formerly very reasonable. In the last year his popularity is declining, and as a result I can't believe how extreme and sensationalist his videos are becoming. Desperate to disagree strongly with anything remotely right of Bernie Sanders.
An actual example of people being pushed from the Left would be Lindsay Shepherd, who was very much a Liberal even after the left publicly screwed her over, she still insisted that she's "progressive" and found Jordan Peterson to be too right wing for her to agree with. 6 months on? "Why I left the Left" because by even being tolerant towards Peterson, hearing his side in online streams and debates (with others as well like Dave Rubin) she got death threats for being a Nazi, even though she was publicly arguing Liberal causes. She then started to see that not only is the Liberal company not worth keeping, but the issues themselves are insane and not worth arguing for. A similar thing happened to me, I firstly realised that the people who represented my political views are seeming increasingly insane, and then it started to hurt me that they haven't actually thought through their own beliefs. From there right wingers not only seemed "cooler" as part of the counter culture (relatable people like Crowder, Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes) but their arguments are so well rounded in comparison, Dems just kept looking more and more hilariously insane.
So that's how even Liberals are being pushed away, but is there any chance of Trump supporters crossing over? Fucking lol no way. Any time I try to have a reasonable conversation with a Liberal I instantly get so much shit for even remotely not thinking Trump is a total Nazi, even if I completely disagree with Trump on a particular issue but understand somewhat why he comes to such a conclusion, that's not good enough. It's too tolerant. You are back to square one, because they won't even pretend to listen or tolerate you unless you denounce everything about Trump and the current Republican party.
You covered some specific policies in your post and really, the most realistic danger is a Bernie clone taking over for nomination. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was simply just too dumb to really catch fire, and it was a hilarious few months of her popping up on the news, but she just got exposed so much that even the Left couldn't stand by her. But I would still absolutely love if she made a run for nomination, the Dems would screw over her chances before even getting real consideration by the public (much like they did with Bernie) but hey, a man can dream.
And brilliantly it still appears that fucking Hilldawg is the Dems best chance or most likely nominee. I've seen regularly in polls this year that she comes out way ahead of Biden or Bernie with regards to who Dems would most like to run (a few of these polls had her at nearly a third of the vote, with Biden way behind on like 10 or 12 percent).
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists ... party/amp/
I mean really, so desperate.
Do you think losing the House tomorrow will even matter? I have a few reasons I think that it could possibly benefit Trump. He's struggling to get things through the House anyway, it definitely can't hurt him, if anything just gives him something to blame.
If Pelosi is the Speaker that is also absolutely perfect for him. She is the biggest advertisement for everything wrong with batshit crazy Liberals these days, this will only alienate her own party and it's support.