Rudiger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:30 pmI actually think it was left wing YouTubers that got me in to the right, ironically enough but not surprising. That's actually a major aspect I had overlooked in my description of my "red pill journey" in the post above, it actually all started for me from when I found Liberal YouTube channels.
I actually wanted to engage in my hatred of Trump by understanding more about why I hate him, I particularly liked Sam Seder (not that well known), David Pakman, I do think Secular Talk is closer to sanity than say Young Turks, but they're all going to push you away from the left. Leftists don't even realise how much they push support from the left, and increasingly I see videos being posted from people about "why I left the Left", and the reason?
Liberal ideology is becoming more about extremism. The core principals don't really matter anymore, as long as you are being more and more progressive (or what they view as "progressive") it's not enough to welcome immigration, you have to like all forms of immigration, including breaking the law and encouraging migrants to make dangerous life threatening journeys to get near the border. You have to believe that current illegals should be able to vote, basically just give them all of the rights, let the problems from their own country be exported to yours. If you don't see it this way you are heartless. You need to feel just as extreme on issues such as socialism, and LGBT rights, if you show even a flicker of disagreement or questioning then you are scum. Antifa should have their way with you, and although most won't admit it publicly, of course they absolutely condone that sort of violence, we need to kill the Nazi's before they kill us!!
I mentioned Pakman before and he's a very popular Liberal youtuber/presenter, and formerly very reasonable. In the last year his popularity is declining, and as a result I can't believe how extreme and sensationalist his videos are becoming. Desperate to disagree strongly with anything remotely right of Bernie Sanders.
An actual example of people being pushed from the Left would be Lindsay Shepherd, who was very much a Liberal even after the left publicly screwed her over, she still insisted that she's "progressive" and found Jordan Peterson to be too right wing for her to agree with. 6 months on? "Why I left the Left" because by even being tolerant towards Peterson, hearing his side in online streams and debates (with others as well like Dave Rubin) she got death threats for being a Nazi, even though she was publicly arguing Liberal causes. She then started to see that not only is the Liberal company not worth keeping, but the issues themselves are insane and not worth arguing for. A similar thing happened to me, I firstly realised that the people who represented my political views are seeming increasingly insane, and then it started to hurt me that they haven't actually thought through their own beliefs. From there right wingers not only seemed "cooler" as part of the counter culture (relatable people like Crowder, Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes) but their arguments are so well rounded in comparison, Dems just kept looking more and more hilariously insane.
So that's how even Liberals are being pushed away, but is there any chance of Trump supporters crossing over? Fucking lol no way. Any time I try to have a reasonable conversation with a Liberal I instantly get so much shit for even remotely not thinking Trump is a total Nazi, even if I completely disagree with Trump on a particular issue but understand somewhat why he comes to such a conclusion, that's not good enough. It's too tolerant. You are back to square one, because they won't even pretend to listen or tolerate you unless you denounce everything about Trump and the current Republican party.
You covered some specific policies in your post and really, the most realistic danger is a Bernie clone taking over for nomination. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was simply just too dumb to really catch fire, and it was a hilarious few months of her popping up on the news, but she just got exposed so much that even the Left couldn't stand by her. But I would still absolutely love if she made a run for nomination, the Dems would screw over her chances before even getting real consideration by the public (much like they did with Bernie) but hey, a man can dream.
And brilliantly it still appears that fucking Hilldawg is the Dems best chance or most likely nominee. I've seen regularly in polls this year that she comes out way ahead of Biden or Bernie with regards to who Dems would most like to run (a few of these polls had her at nearly a third of the vote, with Biden way behind on like 10 or 12 percent).
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I mean really, so desperate.
Do you think losing the House tomorrow will even matter? I have a few reasons I think that it could possibly benefit Trump. He's struggling to get things through the House anyway, it definitely can't hurt him, if anything just gives him something to blame.
If Pelosi is the Speaker that is also absolutely perfect for him. She is the biggest advertisement for everything wrong with batshit crazy Liberals these days, this will only alienate her own party and it's support.
Liberal ideology is becoming more about extremism. The core principals don't really matter anymore, as long as you are being more and more progressive (or what they view as "progressive") it's not enough to welcome immigration, you have to like all forms of immigration, including breaking the law and encouraging migrants to make dangerous life threatening journeys to get near the border. You have to believe that current illegals should be able to vote, basically just give them all of the rights, let the problems from their own country be exported to yours. "
This is another area where I find the NPC meme fares so well. Certainly in terms of outcomes the core principals don't matter anymore, but more specifically it genuinely appears that they will oppose ANYTHING to the far opposite that is advocated by Trump or Republicans, much of which such as on immigration or government climate change action is common sense.
I do feel the midterms are a win/win for Trump. If he loses the house there is still potential for direction on infrastructure and healthcare, the only thing I (and his base) would miss is the potential for a border wall and a harder line on immigration policies. Pelosi as speaker and more people to blame is certainly another benefit. Overall I wouldn't be concerned with a halted Trump agenda, its certainly better than one implemented by Cortez or the Bernie wing of the Democrats and I think most could rest easy over it.
Interesting you mention Sam Seder and Pakman, probably my least favourite political commentators on the internet. Pakman in particular scares me because he's obviously an incredibly intelligent person who gives off such an air of rationality and reason particularly in his interviews, however more so than any has gone off the rails on the Russia issue and can casually say with a straight face on an issue like Kavanaugh that the mere fact a woman makes a rape claim makes it believable because they have nothing to gain. For such an intelligent person, how can he have somehow missed the 850 grand in Go Fund Me money she racked up plus widespread acclaim from one political half of the country? Or that you should automatically believe the accuser but not the accused even if there is no physical evidence to back this up. I don't think I've seen a better litmus test for horrifically dishonest liberal bias in my life which is why I did enjoy the whole Kavanugh saga because of how revealing it was. Worst of all on Pakman he absolutely blew my mind when saying that beyond reasonable doubt shouldn't matter in accusations of sexual assault or rape. How the fuck can a rational person think this even for a moment?
The "pragmatist" support of Republican light candidates like Hillary makes it incredibly hard to support them as honest people either. Sam Seder literally suggested that voting for Trump over Hillary (blatantly centre-right on policy in every single issue and more hawkish on foreign policy than Trump) was "giving away our Democracy" and allowing "authoritarianism" to prosper. Again like Pakman's claims on Kavanaugh, how can anyone listen to this and take them seriously? Secular talk is one of my favourite commentators and I probably watch him more than anyone, but he's too easily manipulated by data or claims from those that hold up his world view, and I don't think he's smart enough to genuinely process serious issues on economics for example.
There's just truly no one I can whole hardheartedly support on the left. Even if I prefer their desired outcomes the majority of the time they lack any interest in responsibility and can't simply be honest any more, virtue signalling is their highest ideal.