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I think that most of them genuinely believed this garbage. It's each of sad, funny, and horrifying to see how anti-intellectualism has taken an iron grip of American conservatism, and indeed the conservatism of the English-speaking world in general. They've spent decades telling people that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, that global warming is a hoax, that sexual orientation is a choice, that tax cuts are the best way to create growth, that the army would be greeted as liberators in Iraq, that there is such a thing as expertise, etc etc etc. There's a consistent drive to deny reality, to stick their heads in the sand, because they just can't acknowledge that there are some catastrophic failings with their world view and their (lack of a) moral framework.

Most of the people quoted in the videos are utterly lacking in either empathy or insight. The reason that Hannity has a platform is not because he's knowledgeable or wise, as he's neither, but because he speaks confidently and people are predisposed to seeing him as an authority figure.

The worst was the asshole who said that he's not personally afraid of coronavirus. Well, maybe you're not vulnerable, maybe you'll be safe, but a lot of other people are going to be hurt by this and they matter too.
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The worst was the asshole who said that he's not personally afraid of coronavirus.
I saw him on the street a few months ago. Didn't like him then, like him less now...
Hard for me to pick a favorite. Rush is still at it, after all these years, with the stellar comparison of COVID-19 to the common cold. The blonde "commentator" has a memorable quote. The "doctors" give incredibly bad and dangerous misinformation. But I think I have to give it to the guy who stares deeply into the camera and says "It is very, very difficult to contract this virus".

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The problem with the infection rate has to do with people ignoring social distance practices. A lot of people
follow it, but there's a small minority who choose to live fearlessly. They contaminate other people, and they
don't care.

If people in the United States would wear masks, and practice social distancing, it probably wouldn't be long
before we could go back to work.

The problem is Trump refuses to wear one. I don't think he is setting a good example. I don't personally understand
why wearing a surgical mask to stop spreading infections is a bad idea.

Eventually I think Trump will fire the doctors working with him. He is just waiting for it to die down. Dr. Fauci
speaks scientific facts that negate what Trump is saying.

The doctor who works with Dr. Fauci is also in disagreement with Trump, but she is not as vocal.

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I don't automatically assume bad intend on Trump and his "golf buddies." I think in desperate times those in charge tend to look for a desperate cure.

You can can't blame him and his administration for trying to get the economy back on track. Otherwise the consequences could lead to a global depression, and no president wants that.
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The reason that Hannity has a platform is not because he's knowledgeable or wise, as he's neither, but because he speaks confidently and people are predisposed to seeing him as an authority figure.
No, it's because he's a Norwood 0.
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I know its cynical but i think America is screwed. They are too pig headed to follow orders as they value personal liberty at the cost of the nation.

You couldnt even enforce martial law there to protect them from themselves like they've done in many place as too many americans have guns and it will end with death en masse.

The only perk is the americans will achieve mass immunity before anyone else (lest there be no vaccine)

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No, it's because he's a Norwood 0.
And a role model.

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I know its cynical but i think America is screwed. They are too pig headed to follow orders as they value personal liberty at the cost of the nation.

You couldnt even enforce martial law there to protect them from themselves like they've done in many place as too many americans have guns and it will end with death en masse.

The only perk is the americans will achieve mass immunity before anyone else (lest there be no vaccine)
I don't agree with these catastrophic predictions.
I think you will find Americans are anything but pigheaded in a time of crisis. Sure you could argue that the nation has been slow to appreciate the gravity of this virus but now you will see the true American spirit at work.

Need I remind you that America is the nation that first made use nuclear power, they put a man on the moon, they are the nation that built the hubble space telescope and they now partner Russia with the international space station.
All of these achievements are the pinnacle of scientific endeavor.

America also discovered and invented the modern use of electricity.

So I think you will find that if a vaccine is found for this terrible virus, it will have its roots in American science.
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Well I respect American inventions and innovations, but non of that will help the citizens on the streets in the next 6 months.

It is April 9th today and America as 14k deaths.

I'll come come back to this post at the end of the month and that number will be 50k deaths.

The end of May it will be over 100k deaths.

I'm not saying this to hate on America. I actually like america and americans. I say this as just a warning that their lack of action will kill them on a large scale.

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Well I respect American inventions and innovations, but non of that will help the citizens on the streets in the next 6 months.

It is April 9th today and America as 14k deaths.

I'll come come back to this post at the end of the month and that number will be 50k deaths.

The end of May it will be over 100k deaths.

I'm not saying this to hate on America. I actually like america and americans. I say this as just a warning that their lack of action will kill them on a large scale.
Fair enough and I blame Trump and China for the early debacle concerning covid-19.
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Yes, but also a lack of personal responsibility.

People are too feckless to wear a simple little mask, use hand sanitiser, or going out to see their mates.

The important thing now will not be to fall into a political blame game - but to act as sensibly and pragmatic as possible as a nation and as individuals.

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Yes, but also a lack of personal responsibility.

People are too feckless to wear a simple little mask, use hand sanitiser, or going out to see their mates.

The important thing now will not be to fall into a political blame game - but to act as sensibly and pragmatic as possible as a nation and as individuals.
Yes, I agree somewhat. The population was slow to pick up on the urgency of the matter. That's human nature.
I now believe (well, I hope) that the overwhelming majority of citizens will practice these social distancing and lockdown policies.

We can do this.
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Yes, but also a lack of personal responsibility.

People are too feckless to wear a simple little mask, use hand sanitiser, or going out to see their mates.

The important thing now will not be to fall into a political blame game - but to act as sensibly and pragmatic as possible as a nation and as individuals.
They need to enforce people to wear masks here.

I agree about the mask. Melania Trump is trying to help that. Thank god. Her husband refuses to wear one.

In New Jersey, after a month of the pandemic and high numbers, the governor finally decided to step up and
make grocery stores/pharmacists wear masks.

Governor Murphy isn't wearing a mask himself.

There people in the U.S. who are greedy to. This guy in Georgia stole a mask shipment and in prison.

There's 10% of people who don't practice social distancing in this state.

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There's 10% of people who don't practice social distancing in this state.
And those 10% are enough to continue the spread in the community.
I'm getting tired of these lockdowns already.

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It seems now Trump wants to fire Anthony Fauci:

US President Donald Trump retweeted a call for the firing of the administration's top infectious disease specialist, Dr Anthony Fauci, who is leading the government's coronavirus response.

The apparent condemnation came after Fauci, head of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a CNN interview that earlier social distancing and stay-at-home orders from the administration "could have saved more lives".


But!

Fauci was telling folks as late as February 29 that there was nothing to worry about and the virus posed no threat to the U.S. public at large.

Source: Al Jizzeera.
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People just need to wear masks and practice safety measures. That's all it is. The masks
will probably help people not to infect others.

Only twenty percent of people will get serious side effects from this.

Vladimir Putin has the right idea, as far as leadership, who knows.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... r-warns-of

Scaring people with the suit is not a bad idea. Prison for infecting others, maybe that's a little harsh.

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Post by blackg » 1 month ago

It now seems that some sections of the U.S. populous have had enough of these lockdown measures and have started protesting in various U.S. states.
I would like to hear @rclarck's opinion on all of this because I think these protests are happening in his state too.

Minnesota's governor has just announced that golf courses and a number of other outdoor activities, along with the businesses that support them, could reopen on Saturday morning.
You should never restrict a white man's right to play golf. It's unconstitutional.
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