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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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There are a lot of reasons why men of previous generations didn't have to try as hard. Among them was that a lot of men died. Men historically are more likely to die young, either due to disease or more often to war. For example, the USSR had 23 million more females than males in 1946. I'm guessing that they had fewer incels. Likewise, Germany had a population of 65 million in 1946, and lost 4.5 million people in the war, mostly men.

In the Bible, King David saw a beautiful woman bathing on a rooftop, and he lusted for her. So he needed to have her husband die. He thus started a war, just to have her husband be on the front line, so that she would be available.
Yes, that's one of them. Maybe the solution now is to start a new war? :o

To me, hypergamy is more of a problem. Women now can fulfil their hard implanted search for best genetics. Society, Social Media, Hollywood, the Media, the left, hell even a lot of right-wing people stand behind "you go girl".

This leads men to be more and more insecure.

Why is the cosmetic industry for men booming since the last 10 years? Why millions of men doing Hair transplant? Why balding is such a huge topic everywhere? BDD in young men is rising. MGTOW and incels, something that didnt existed 20 years ago are growing as well.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Themistocles was the second Archon in Athens to carry on the mantle of democracy in its early years, he was also a general at the battle of marathon: the first time the greeks fought the Persians. His fear was that the barbarians would return.

Shortly after Themistocles ascended to archon, the trireme was invented; a powerful warship at the time. None shared his fear that the Persians would return, believing that the barbarians were just that and had been defeated and so he found it unlikely that they would vote to spend their newly acquired wealth from a nearby silver mine on the ships. So what did he do? He lied.

He told them that they should spend the money on the ships to prevent an attack from Argos, a city state to the south. The athenians voted in favour and it came not a moment to soon, as the Persians returned and would have conquered Athens had Themistocles not undermined the system with white lies. So no, the general public doesn't always know what's best.

Further, the Athenians had something called "ostracization" whereby if they felt politicians were getting to big for their boots, they could write his name on piece of pottery and those who had the most votes were exiled. Themistocles was himself, ostracized. There was just one curious matter...most of the greeks couldn't write, and so they needed someone else to write the name they wanted on the tile.

Democracy is wonderful in the sense that it is the only thing that gives the people a voice, but it's extremely open to subterfuge. Dictators are very good at restoring order, but they quickly outlive their usefulness. I believe it goes in cycles of democratic and authoritarian and right now, the west could do with some more authoritarians who have our best interests at the fore.

The trinity of communism, fascism, and capitalism are, respectively: Equality (of outcome), Unity, and Freedom.

Economically, you can have each by itself. You can also have Unity + Equality, and you can have Freedom + Unity. As for equality + freedom?

You can try.
I have to read this a little later but

I want to boil this down a bit

Because you and Jason seem to be agreeing with one another a lot BUT he’s clearly differentiated between women and men when it comes to judgement decision making etc.

So I think HIS goal IS to curtail female behavior so I may be combining the two of you in my mind. Also when you use ‘slut’ and the age of mothers it does sound like it is a bit about behavior in this context. (I’m not sensitive to word slut I use it often BUT it also doesn’t have a male gender equivalent)

You don’t sound like that it sounds more that you are concerned with population.

Okay so let’s say it’s that, you simply want the numbers.
Curtailing abortion doesn’t seem like the logical solution to this problem given modern medicine, (birth control pill, shots or pills IUD condoms diaphragms tube tying etc)
When I look at the statistics in the United States (I have not looked for euro countries)

Abortions (here) have been in a steady decline among white women especially it’s a down trend for 30-40 years.
Pregnancies are down among white women compared to immigrant moms

So your solution or your using these laws as a tool isn’t practical to me.

So if society has this goal, and the abortion banning happens and it doesn’t have the solution, or even make a reasonable dent in ratio to these other factors, what would be the next logical step? Controlling because?

IF this is really your goal, if it were society goal to create numbers and the quality of the life is not a factor vs the actual # of bodies, then you can do this without forcing it upon women who don’t want it.

It’s 2018, let’s say we politically moved towards this starting Now, it would take many many years if not more to
1- politically convince people
2-get the politicians in place
3-get the Supreme Court in line (the court is mostly originiallst so this would NOT fly with who they are now so we are talking potentially another 10-20 years to replace the majority of these people?)
By the time that ALL happens would be possibly 40-years into the future.
In that time what’s been happening?
(Cure for hair loss? Cancer?)
Technology and medical advances.
We can already implant women with millions of embryos women that can be paid surrogates. Between birth control advances and creating a child without a ‘mom’ gestation will be far beyond what we can imagine.
Then they can be raised anyway you want them to be raised
(We can actually already do this, make babies without a biological mother carrying it)

It’s STILL dark and dystopian to me, but much more effective in reaching your goal than banning abortions. Banning abortions won’t do anything for white unmarried women except make them more careful NOT to get pregnant. It will most likely increase the birth rate among the cultures you are concerned are surpassing us.
THAT is my opinion based on looking at CDC charts. So I’m not making it up.

All these other things you discuss media control or however you wish to phrase it, again we have a conservative originalist court majority. BK for example I doubt he will put any restrictions on films being made.

I’m definitely not being obnoxious or defensive when I’m writing all this, I actually enjoy this conversation 😊

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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and this is exactly it.

My mom has a lucrative career and had her kids between the ages of 22 - 25 and was never a stay-at-home mom longer than she had to be.

Again: This idea that having kids at a younger age means you need to give up your career goals and never have fun again is a lie. In fact, at age 32, when you're now balls deep in your career, putting it off to raise kids for a few years is more detrimental than if you'd had them 10 years earlier.

As for the financial aspect: We can safely say that most pro-choice people are leftwingers and thus largely supportive of socialist programs, right? They've argued that birth control, abortions, etc. should be state funded.

What they seem to argue a lot less for, is social programs that could provide affordable housing to young citizens who have just started or are starting families. Though I distinctly remember seeing this foreigner in Quebec on TV around ten years ago and when they asked him why he chose Quebec, he said it was because they gave him more money based on how many kids he had, and he had six!

Where is the screeching and demanding of the same for our own, who should logically be the recipients of such benefits? Speaks volumes to me.

We don't need to revert to the middle ages to make this work for fuck's sake.
In Germany for example, foreigners get a lot of money from mother Merkel to raise their 5 children. They can more or less live very comfortable and not working a day in their life. On the other end, young German families are struggling to get by with 2 children.

It's crazy that so many people cant see all the Red Flags.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Yes, that's one of them. Maybe the solution now is to start a new war? :o

To me, hypergamy is more of a problem. Women now can fulfil their hard implanted search for best genetics. Society, Social Media, Hollywood, the Media, the left, hell even a lot of right-wing people stand behind "you go girl".

This leads men to be more and more insecure.

Why is the cosmetic industry for men booming since the last 10 years? Why millions of men doing Hair transplant? Why balding is such a huge topic everywhere? BDD (Body Dysmorphic Disorder) in young men is rising. MGTOW and incels, something that didnt existed 20 years ago are growing as well.
Well, 20 years ago, just like all the radical loonies out there, they didn't have the internet to spread their message. And even with the internet, it's easy to realize that those movements are not very big.

I don't think that many women get tricked by the propaganda, this was not my experience when I was dating. Most of them still wanted a stable boyfriend, children, etc.

Now it's true that some of them had absolutely insane standards that they would never be able to fulfill, and it's also true that fragments of leftist ideologies reached different women for different reasons.

Some will believe that they don't need children, some will believe that men are all evil, some will believe that kids don't need a father, some will believe that they absolutely need to have a career. My girlfriend almost fell for the "you don't need a man to have a child" nonsense because she just really really wanted a child and she had decided that if I didn't come along, she'd just go ahead do that on her own. She knows that it's selfish and that it would be the main reason to go down that road though.

Ideologies simplify reality and make you believe that you can just have that little tweak there without it having consequences in other areas of your life. Ideologies will have you believe that if there are no material obstacles between you and something you want, you can just run and get it.

There are no morals, no constraints, no possible negative consequences, you can just wish them away!

So yeah, like most people on this forum, I despise the postmodern neomarxist propaganda. It is a mind virus created by the resentful who secretly and ultimately want everyone else to fail and become just as miserable as they are.
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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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I have to read this a little later but

I want to boil this down a bit

Because you and Jason seem to be agreeing with one another a lot BUT he’s clearly differentiated between women and men when it comes to judgement decision making etc.

So I think HIS goal IS to curtail female behavior so I may be combining the two of you in my mind. Also when you use ‘slut’ and the age of mothers it does sound like it is a bit about behavior in this context. (I’m not sensitive to word slut I use it often BUT it also doesn’t have a male gender equivalent)

You don’t sound like that it sounds more that you are concerned with population.

Okay so let’s say it’s that, you simply want the numbers.
Curtailing abortion doesn’t seem like the logical solution to this problem given modern medicine, (birth control pill, shots or pills IUD condoms diaphragms tube tying etc)
When I look at the statistics in the United States (I have not looked for euro countries)

Abortions (here) have been in a steady decline among white women especially it’s a down trend for 30-40 years.
Pregnancies are down among white women compared to immigrant moms

So your solution or your using these laws as a tool isn’t practical to me.

So if society has this goal, and the abortion banning happens and it doesn’t have the solution, or even make a reasonable dent in ratio to these other factors, what would be the next logical step? Controlling because?

IF this is really your goal, if it were society goal to create numbers and the quality of the life is not a factor vs the actual # of bodies, then you can do this without forcing it upon women who don’t want it.

It’s 2018, let’s say we politically moved towards this starting Now, it would take many many years if not more to
1- politically convince people
2-get the politicians in place
3-get the Supreme Court in line (the court is mostly originiallst so this would NOT fly with who they are now so we are talking potentially another 10-20 years to replace the majority of these people?)
By the time that ALL happens would be possibly 40-years into the future.
In that time what’s been happening?
(Cure for hair loss? Cancer?)
Technology and medical advances.
We can already implant women with millions of embryos women that can be paid surrogates. Between birth control advances and creating a child without a ‘mom’ gestation will be far beyond what we can imagine.
Then they can be raised anyway you want them to be raised
(We can actually already do this, make babies without a biological mother carrying it)

It’s STILL dark and dystopian to me, but much more effective in reaching your goal than banning abortions. Banning abortions won’t do anything for white unmarried women except make them more careful NOT to get pregnant. It will most likely increase the birth rate among the cultures you are concerned are surpassing us.
THAT is my opinion based on looking at CDC charts. So I’m not making it up.

All these other things you discuss media control or however you wish to phrase it, again we have a conservative originalist court majority. BK for example I doubt he will put any restrictions on films being made.

I’m definitely not being obnoxious or defensive when I’m writing all this, I actually enjoy this conversation 😊
Jesus so much text. I'll write you back when my mind is better working. What I like on this Forum is, here people in general are on the higher IQ end and I struggle to keep it up, but I love it.

And yes, I don't give a shit about women fucking around and being sluts as a judgment of them as a person. But I have a problem with the impact of these decisions on society as a whole. Honestly, I also don't give a shit about abortion from an ethical standpoint but the impact on society is huge.

If sex is free and everywhere and there are no consequences, you don't think that's very dangerous?

Women live in the moment and want what "they feel is right now" and that's so dangerous.
If I would do what I want, I would fuck multiple women, do not have children until....I don't know when Im 50 and bald? Why would I give a shit about immigrants and fight against it? I don't care I "live in the moment" yolo.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Could it be, that all of the [redacted]s, who we're never allowed to name, feel threatened by the westerners, since it was the homogenized European nations who, in living memory, tried to wipe them all off the face of the Earth? People who have no loyalty to anyone except other [redacted]s? These same people who own tremendous amounts of media, news, movies, interracial pornography (look up the founders of Blacked and such) all push the LGBT, pro-choice, pro-immigration, feminist, etc. propaganda and are also the founders of communism (which is also a popular topic). I think that they're afraid of ever coming to blows with Europeans again, and by diluting that population and surrounding themselves with other minorities with no loyalties to white Europeans, they will know they'll have more allies than enemies should that ever happen.
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I'll bet my bottom dollar that if these ideologies were removed from media, schools, etc. a lot fewer people would have such anti-natalist, anti-capitalist views.
This got a lot of likes. I guess people agree? Abortion is a conspiracy to dilute the population?

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This got a lot of likes. I guess people agree? Abortion is a conspiracy to dilute the population?
That's only part of the explanation but not a big part in my opinion. I'll blame human stupidity before I believe any grand-schemed conspiracies.

It's not that the [redacted] manage to manipulate large chunks of the population, it works so well because many people in the West are already lost, nihilistic and depressed so they only need a small push to go down and start making loopings.

Again, it's a mind virus, and some people (partly the intellectual atheist leftist [redacted]) spend their entire lives going around sneezing in people's face hoping to contaminate those who don't have a strong enough immune system. And usually, that means being religious, or more precisely being a Christian, a Jew (no not the redacted kind! Oops.) or a Buddhist.

Obligatory triggered Sam Harris gif after saying that:

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Abortion being legal is fine in my opinion, but people should realize what it means, that it is not a harmless act. And please don't point to the studies or the people you know who have gone through and seem fine. Just like we so easily say that we know a bald guy and he seems fine because well, he doesn't seem to be spending his days curled up on the floor crying! So he's fine obviously.

I'm at a point where I will never be able to think that life is not sacred again. When you catch the diseases that are moral relativism, nihilism, postmodernism, etc. And you come back from them, you can only look back in horror thinking "no way I'm letting myself get contaminated by those again!"
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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Well, 20 years ago, just like all the radical loonies out there, they didn't have the internet to spread their message. And even with the internet, it's easy to realize that those movements are not very big.

I don't think that many women get tricked by the propaganda, this was not my experience when I was dating. Most of them still wanted a stable boyfriend, children, etc.

Now it's true that some of them had absolutely insane standards that they would never be able to fulfill, and it's also true that fragments of leftist ideologies reached different women for different reasons.

Some will believe that they don't need children, some will believe that men are all evil, some will believe that kids don't need a father, some will believe that they absolutely need to have a career. My girlfriend almost fell for the "you don't need a man to have a child" nonsense because she just really really wanted a child and she had decided that if I didn't come along, she'd just go ahead do that on her own. She knows that it's selfish and that it would be the main reason to go down that road though.

Ideologies simplify reality and make you believe that you can just have that little tweak there without it having consequences in other areas of your life. Ideologies will have you believe that if there are no material obstacles between you and something you want, you can just run and get it.

There are no morals, no constraints, no possible negative consequences, you can just wish them away!

So yeah, like most people on this forum, I despise the postmodern neomarxist propaganda. It is a mind virus created by the resentful who secretly and ultimately want everyone else to fail and become just as miserable as they are.
Most women DO want to get married and have kids.
I’m the exception not the norm.

I think a HUGE reason why some women wait (and I think it’s more women in cities and surrounding suburbs not rural women) is the cost of living. And the cost of raising kids in this day and age. Even bare minimum is very expensive. No white chick is going to go live in a ghetto and have kids...not until it’s gentrified and then a condo will go from $70k to $400.
Not even joking.
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If sex is free and everywhere and there are no consequences, you don't think that's very dangerous?

Huh? I’ve had no negative consequences to sex. Well once but medication took care of it. ;)

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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As for the financial aspect: We can safely say that most pro-choice people are leftwingers and thus largely supportive of socialist programs, right? They've argued that birth control, abortions, etc. should be state funded.

What they seem to argue a lot less for, is social programs that could provide affordable housing to young citizens who have just started or are starting families.
There are tons of housing subsidies in the English speaking countries. Their net effect is, ironically, to increase the cost of housing.

The proper way to decrease housing costs is to encourage more people to live in low-density areas, and to improve the transportation system. The left is on top of that. For example, by advocating that more government offices and services be placed in smaller towns, or improving public transportation, they make more areas livable.

Supply and demand is close to being a law of human nature, and that's what drives up housing costs in Vancouver and Toronto.
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My mom has a lucrative career and had her kids between the ages of 22 - 25 and was never a stay-at-home mom longer than she had to be.
The average cost of a pregnancy in the United States is ~$12,000 after insurance payouts, not including lost wages, not including any of the costs after giving birth.

Good luck to the typical 22 year-old American woman coming up with ~$36,000 over three years (plus post-birth costs, plus the cost of supporting herself while she's not working). It's not going to happen.
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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Yes, that's one of them. Maybe the solution now is to start a new war? :o

To me, hypergamy is more of a problem. Women now can fulfil their hard implanted search for best genetics. Society, Social Media, Hollywood, the Media, the left, hell even a lot of right-wing people stand behind "you go girl".

This leads men to be more and more insecure.

Why is the cosmetic industry for men booming since the last 10 years? Why millions of men doing Hair transplant? Why balding is such a huge topic everywhere? BDD (Body Dysmorphic Disorder) in young men is rising. MGTOW and incels, something that didnt existed 20 years ago are growing as well.
Supply and demand, again.

There are proportionately more men than there used to be, so the relative value of the median one of us is lower.

Separately, do you actually want women to feel socially obligated to marry men that they secretly despise? Do you actually want a wife who tolerates you?
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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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I'm just going to respond in general rather than quoting specifics.

You asked what my thoughts are on abortion, as per the thread title. Well, my thoughts are that it is unnecessary in all but the most extreme cases, and I don't think it should be condoned, especially not among a declining population. There are many reasons why test-tube babies are not simply the answer to this.

Will outlawing abortion alone increase the birth rate? No, but that's not really the point is it?

Economic, and mostly social factors are how we got here. Specifically, if you read on the history of many of the mentalities that lead to this point, you'll find this was the goal all along.

It seems to be said, even beyond this conversation, that the state we're in was just the natural progression of society; as if history is on some linear track. Well, it's not. The social justice motivated policies and ideologies that have encouraged narcissistic, hedonistic, anti-natalist lifestyles are not permanent and here to stay as the left may like to believe. It's true that things like sexual selection will probably always remain at the fore from now on, but I see that as reason to support the "Chad nationalism" and encouraging men to behave like men, and "looksmax", which is why a hairloss cure is now more important than ever.

Generation Z is the most conservative generation in decades,and I personally think it is they who will turn the tide. They've grown up with the consequences of the "progressive" politics of the boomers, Gen X, and millennials. They've grown up in broken, single-parent homes, suffered the school shootings, lost parents and siblings to bombs and lorry trucks of peace, etc. and it seems they're not too fond of it all.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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@Hairblues

I'm just going to respond in general rather than quoting specifics.

You asked what my thoughts are on abortion, as per the thread title. Well, my thoughts are that it is unnecessary in all but the most extreme cases, and I don't think it should be condoned, especially not among a declining population. There are many reasons why test-tube babies are not simply the answer to this.

Will outlawing abortion alone increase the birth rate? No, but that's not really the point is it?

Economic, and mostly social factors are how we got here. Specifically, if you read on the history of many of the mentalities that lead to this point, you'll find this was the goal all along.

It seems to be said, even beyond this conversation, that the state we're in was just the natural progression of society; as if history is on some linear track. Well, it's not. The social justice motivated policies and ideologies that have encouraged narcissistic, hedonistic, anti-natalist lifestyles are not permanent and here to stay as the left may like to believe. It's true that things like sexual selection will probably always remain at the fore from now on, but I see that as reason to support the "Chad nationalism" and encouraging men to behave like men, and "looksmax", which is why a hairloss cure is now more important than ever.

Generation Z is the most conservative generation in decades,and I personally think it is they who will turn the tide. They've grown up with the consequences of the "progressive" politics of the boomers, Gen X, and millennials. They've grown up in broken, single-parent homes, suffered the school shootings, lost parents and siblings to bombs and lorry trucks of peace, etc. and it seems they're not too fond of it all.

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But you are not addressing specific points I’ve made.
Banning abortion in a country like USA would only decrease the number of white women actually getting pregnant and greatly increase the number of minority’s and immigrant births.
So the ban isn’t logical based on CDC statistics and trends of both abortion and pregnancy/births.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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But you are not addressing specific points I’ve made.
Banning abortion in a country like USA would only decrease the number of white women actually getting pregnant and greatly increase the number of minority’s and immigrant births.
So the ban isn’t logical based on CDC statistics and trends of both abortion and pregnancy/births.
Your own conclusion answers the question you ask me to address.

In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is illegal, they will take every precaution not to get pregnant or just go celibate as possible.

In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is simply a matter of choice, they are unlikely to keep the baby even if they do get pregnant.

In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, but abortion is simply a matter of choice, they can simply "change their mind" mid-pregnancy, how many would or wouldn't statistically is irrelevant and that falls back onto moral grounds.

In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, and abortion is heavily-restricted or outright illegal, these women are just going to have the baby — not instantly reach for coat hangers in droves.

It's as simple as that, really.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Your own conclusion answers the question you ask me to address.

In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is illegal, they will take every precaution not to get pregnant or just go celibate as possible.

In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is simply a matter of choice, they are unlikely to keep the baby even if they do get pregnant.

In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, but abortion is simply a matter of choice, they can simply "change their mind" mid-pregnancy, how many would or wouldn't statistically is irrelevant and that falls back onto moral grounds.

In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, and abortion is heavily-restricted or outright illegal, these women are just going to have the baby — not instantly reach for coat hangers in droves.

It's as simple as that, really.
Okay so this is then contradicting a lot of what you put forward as
White women will get pregnant less have less children
Minority’s women get pregnant more have more babies
So less white/euro babies vs minoritites
Depending on the country it greatly increases like USA maybe Canada.
So I’m not proving your point, you’re points changing. Or you’re making multiple points.

I don’t want to live in a place where minority and poor people who can’t afford kids greatly increases..for what purpose exactly? Whose going to financially support all these poverty minority kids?
Doesn’t make sense with what you points have been so far.


Edit
I just want to add I’m not ‘pro’ abortion
I don’t feel a moral conundrum in first trimester (few weeks)
But I think it’s still a medical procedure
My friends who had them some said they are painful.
They have to sometimes put sticks inside you the night before if you are narrow the help open the cervix my friend cried all night from the pain.
It’s relaticely safe but Anything can go wrong in a medical procedure.

It’s easily avoidable with proper birth control and education.
Access to affordable even free birth control pill is important and education about birth control to young Women and men is important (most pregnancy aborted in US among white Women are ages 18-19)
However, the argument from the the Right about sexual education (something they have always vigorously fought against) is that it promotes promiscuity.
I remember in HS with AIDS epidemic at its height the right was very adamant against sex education, condoms etc.
I think maybe part of the reasons you saw accidental pregnancies and lower abortions since the 1980 peak is because of condom use being so prevalent by 90s.
Before that random one night stands were mostly bareback.

Bigger society issues
I think the fact that young people can’t make a living to afford building a life to have children is a larger problem.
It’s like they are 10-15 years behind affording a house of thry ever can.

I think helicopter parents have also really ruined the personal responsibility kids going into adulthood should have.
I think over medicating people with anti depressants who don’t need it and under medicating clearly mentally ill people is also a huge problem.

I think younger people NOW lack simple social skills that my generation had to have to survive and needed to build solid meaningful connections. They seem isolated.withdrawn.
Kids don’t play outside anymore.
They don’t hang out at the corner stores anymore.
They can’t be out after dark anymore.
Their parents have raised them to be afraid.

You talk about Gen Z I don't know the Gen Z I know are extremely liberal and delicate. They tend to be loners and kind of narcissistic. Not all. But I don’t see really self sufficient independent mentality among them. Super sensitive.

My friends daughter is 13. She can’t make her own food. I don’t mean dinner. I mean she can’t make her own sandwich or cook a fucking egg. I told my friend she’s spoiling her she shouldn’t be pampering her so much especially she has a stank attitude as if her mother is her maid and not her mother.
I don’t think she’s solitary in that. I think they are all like this.
It’s like they are wrapped in bubble wrap they are so delicate.
Maybe it’s different in Europe I don't know.

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Re: What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Okay so this is then contradicting a lot of what you put forward as
White women will get pregnant less have less children
Minority’s women get pregnant more have more babies
So less white/euro babies vs minoritites
Depending on the country it greatly increases like USA maybe Canada.
So I’m not proving your point, you’re points changing. Or you’re making multiple points.

I don’t want to live in a place where minority and poor people who can’t afford kids greatly increases..for what purpose exactly? Whose going to financially support all these poverty minority kids?
Doesn’t make sense with what you points have been so far.


Edit
I just want to add I’m not ‘pro’ abortion
I don’t feel a moral conundrum in first trimester (few weeks)
But I think it’s still a medical procedure
My friends who had them some said they are painful.
They have to sometimes put sticks inside you the night before if you are narrow the help open the cervix my friend cried all night from the pain.
It’s relaticely safe but Anything can go wrong in a medical procedure.

It’s easily avoidable with proper birth control and education.
Access to affordable even free birth control pill is important and education about birth control to young Women and men is important (most pregnancy aborted in US among white Women are ages 18-19)
However, the argument from the the Right about sexual education (something they have always vigorously fought against) is that it promotes promiscuity.
I remember in HS with AIDS epidemic at its height the right was very adamant against sex education, condoms etc.
I think maybe part of the reasons you saw accidental pregnancies and lower abortions since the 1980 peak is because of condom use being so prevalent by 90s.
Before that random one night stands were mostly bareback.

Bigger society issues
I think the fact that young people can’t make a living to afford building a life to have children is a larger problem.
It’s like they are 10-15 years behind affording a house of thry ever can.

I think helicopter parents have also really ruined the personal responsibility kids going into adulthood should have.
I think over medicating people with anti depressants who don’t need it and under medicating clearly mentally ill people is also a huge problem.

I think younger people NOW lack simple social skills that my generation had to have to survive and needed to build solid meaningful connections. They seem isolated.withdrawn.
Kids don’t play outside anymore.
They don’t hang out at the corner stores anymore.
They can’t be out after dark anymore.
Their parents have raised them to be afraid.

You talk about Gen Z I don't know the Gen Z I know are extremely liberal and delicate. They tend to be loners and kind of narcissistic. Not all. But I don’t see really self sufficient independent mentality among them. Super sensitive.

My friends daughter is 13. She can’t make her own food. I don’t mean dinner. I mean she can’t make her own sandwich or cook a fucking egg. I told my friend she’s spoiling her she shouldn’t be pampering her so much especially she has a stank attitude as if her mother is her maid and not her mother.
I don’t think she’s solitary in that. I think they are all like this.
It’s like they are wrapped in bubble wrap they are so delicate.
Maybe it’s different in Europe I don't know.
The point is the same as it ever was.

You're saying that minorities in the USA will increase in number if abortion is illegal, but that's only because they already have a ton of kids, HB. Why do you think Europeans are freaking out about this? A population is coming in who on average has 3 - 5 kids per woman while their own society is only producing 1.3 per woman means that, in just a few generations time, the native populace will be outnumbered. London England is more than 50% non-white British! Then, when you go like Italy and put out advertising campaigns encourage Italian women to have children or "More Germans? We'll Make Our Own", you're called a "Nazi" and a "Fascist" and a "Sexist" by the left and the ((redacted)) media, all of whom are "pro-choice".

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Your argument is that abortion will fix this somehow? No, it won't. Because those minority women might abort after they've already pumped out 4 kids, while the white woman does so and she has none!

The answer is again simple: encourage the native population to breed, provide incentive for them to do so, eliminate anti-west propaganda, and don't make it so you can just eject a fetus for no good reason.

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