That Guy wrote: ↑
1 year ago
Your own conclusion answers the question you ask me to address.
In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is illegal, they will take every precaution not to get pregnant or just go celibate as possible.
In a society where women are discouraged from getting pregnant, and abortion is simply a matter of choice, they are unlikely to keep the baby even if they do
In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, but abortion is simply a matter of choice, they can simply "change their mind" mid-pregnancy, how many would or wouldn't statistically is irrelevant and that falls back onto moral grounds.
In a society where women are encouraged to get pregnant, and abortion is heavily-restricted or outright illegal, these women are just going to have the baby — not instantly reach for coat hangers in droves.
It's as simple as that, really.
Okay so this is then contradicting a lot of what you put forward as
White women will get pregnant less have less children
Minority’s women get pregnant more have more babies
So less white/euro babies vs minoritites
Depending on the country it greatly increases like USA maybe Canada.
So I’m not proving your point, you’re points changing. Or you’re making multiple points.
I don’t want to live in a place where minority and poor people who can’t afford kids greatly increases..for what purpose exactly? Whose going to financially support all these poverty minority kids?
Doesn’t make sense with what you points have been so far.
I just want to add I’m not ‘pro’ abortion
I don’t feel a moral conundrum in first trimester (few weeks)
But I think it’s still a medical procedure
My friends who had them some said they are painful.
They have to sometimes put sticks inside you the night before if you are narrow the help open the cervix my friend cried all night from the pain.
It’s relaticely safe but Anything can go wrong in a medical procedure.
It’s easily avoidable with proper birth control and education.
Access to affordable even free birth control pill is important and education about birth control to young Women and men is important (most pregnancy aborted in US among white Women are ages 18-19)
However, the argument from the the Right about sexual education (something they have always vigorously fought against) is that it promotes promiscuity.
I remember in HS with AIDS epidemic at its height the right was very adamant against sex education, condoms etc.
I think maybe part of the reasons you saw accidental pregnancies and lower abortions since the 1980 peak is because of condom use being so prevalent by 90s.
Before that random one night stands were mostly bareback.
Bigger society issues
I think the fact that young people can’t make a living to afford building a life to have children is a larger problem.
It’s like they are 10-15 years behind affording a house of thry ever can.
I think helicopter parents have also really ruined the personal responsibility kids going into adulthood should have.
I think over medicating people with anti depressants who don’t need it and under medicating clearly mentally ill people is also a huge problem.
I think younger people NOW lack simple social skills that my generation had to have to survive and needed to build solid meaningful connections. They seem isolated.withdrawn.
Kids don’t play outside anymore.
They don’t hang out at the corner stores anymore.
They can’t be out after dark anymore.
Their parents have raised them to be afraid.
You talk about Gen Z I don't know the Gen Z I know are extremely liberal and delicate. They tend to be loners and kind of narcissistic. Not all. But I don’t see really self sufficient independent mentality among them. Super sensitive.
My friends daughter is 13. She can’t make her own food. I don’t mean dinner. I mean she can’t make her own sandwich or cook a fucking egg. I told my friend she’s spoiling her she shouldn’t be pampering her so much especially she has a stank attitude as if her mother is her maid and not her mother.
I don’t think she’s solitary in that. I think they are all like this.
It’s like they are wrapped in bubble wrap they are so delicate.
Maybe it’s different in Europe I don't know.