Of course I’m only talking about my own countryThat Guy wrote: ↑1 year agoWhat you're referring to is something I've heard called "The Faustian Soul" or "The Ulyssean Urge" which is highly-prevalent among European ethnic groups and less among many others. It's why many African and latin-american tribes never got past the mud-hut phase.
Many other people are only concerned with material gain or simple happiness, with little concern for what lies beyond the next ridge. It's why most of the world's explorers were Europeans: They did things just because. What's at the top of the mountain? Can I climb it? I'm going to paint a portrait or write a story that will stand the test of time, even though many of history's greatest authors, poets, etc. died penniless. These are things that tend to make little sense to other cultures.
Sorry HB, but "Keeping us around in centuries to come" is a perfectly sensible argument and your counter point is limited to the US and its bipartisan internal politics. You're also using the argument "people will still find a way to do it, so why bother?" Which is just not good enough.
Abortion is just one head of the snake, but it's a catalyst for the problem.
What tangible evidence do you offer that, in a society where abortion is largely illegal except in special cases, that it is so rampant illegally that it's frequency and affect on the birthrate is on par with a legal society?
I’m kind of a nationalist with social issues.
I know the laws in my own country the history the geography the socio ecconomics so I know what I’m talking about ‘here’ I honestly don’t know crap about Canada laws on abortion.
So no I’m not offering you tangible evidence about some random society.
I’m offering you a well thought out logical assumption based on my own country that’s a based on a combination of the socio economic lay out, the political landscape, the state laws and CDC statistics.
I mean I just had to differentiate between an embryo and an egg to Pat, so I think my post is pretty well thought out and researched.
And I will say this,
You can’t deny the cultural influence that my country has on the rest of the world.
And when I say my country, I really mean NY LA and Silicone valley.
I don’t see that changing too drastically in the near future.
I’m also confused by the Western guys here who like freedom and complain about Muslim culture (which I agree they are super suppressive) embracing something so easily that would curtail the freedom of so many human beings. Women.
It doesn’t sound like all you guys are just simply discussing the life of a child (well KJ it does for sure) it sounds more like you want women to have babies.
if abortion is illegal, and the vast majority of white women between 16 and 33 decide they want to take a birth control shot and not have kids until mid 30s—what then?
We are living in a time where birth control is becoming more and more effective and being used more widely (in US at least the CDC report I think reflects that by showing how down the abortion rate is vs how sexually active women are).
Fewer women are getting pregnant.
They may be ‘fucking’ a lot more but they are not getting pregnant. They are getting pregnant LESS.
what are you’re thoughts on birth control pill?
The morning after pill?
I’m curious in a free and equal society how far does it go?