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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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If it’s a simple a concept then you should be able to effectively counter without going ‘ full female sluthate mode.’
i assumed i wouldnt have to explain something so simple

as afro just said the AI has simulated love, which at the end of the day is the similar emotion as normal "love" . different mechanism (programmimg vs brain chemicals) but similar result

even if you DONT think its close to real love at least they "feel" SOMETHING

a gold digger doesnt feel anything for you

you're going typical female "ugly men and anything associated with them are losers" mode. also likely jealousy at the idea of being replaced.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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i assumed i wouldnt have to explain something so simple

as afro just said the AI has simulated love, which at the end of the day is the similar emotion as normal "love" . different mechanism (programmimg vs brain chemicals) but similar result

even if you DONT think its close to real love at least they "feel" SOMETHING

a gold digger doesnt feel anything for you

you're going typical female "ugly men and anything associated with them are losers" mode. also likely jealousy at the idea of being replaced.
IT's just a really difficult thought experiment, as the robot needs to be sufficiently similar to a human being so that the love feels meaningful.

One hypothetical way to do this is to construct a robot with a personality that is indistinguishable from that of a human (pick a human), with one change, their sexual preference is whatever the owner's body type and facial type is. I'm not sure if that actually makes sense though.

And it's not happening in our lifetimes.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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IT's just a really difficult thought experiment, as the robot needs to be sufficiently similar to a human being so that the love feels meaningful.

One hypothetical way to do this is to construct a robot with a personality that is indistinguishable from that of a human (pick a human), with one change, their sexual preference is whatever the owner's body type and facial type is. I'm not sure if that actually makes sense though.

And it's not happening in our lifetimes.
yes. by AI i mean general AI. the kind you seen on movies, the same intelligence as an average person and capable of everything we could do.

are you trying to insult me with that last part, "and its not happening in our lifetimes"?

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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yes. by AI i mean general AI. the kind you seen on movies, the same intelligence as an average person and capable of everything we could do.

are you trying to insult me with that last part, "and its not happening in our lifetimes"?
No.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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No.
sounds like a sneaky diss but ok

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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Exodus wrote:
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i assumed i wouldnt have to explain something so simple

as afro just said the AI has simulated love, which at the end of the day is the similar emotion as normal "love" . different mechanism (programmimg vs brain chemicals) but similar result

even if you DONT think its close to real love at least they "feel" SOMETHING

a gold digger doesnt feel anything for you

you're going typical female "ugly men and anything associated with them are losers" mode. also likely jealousy at the idea of being replaced.
Well, what can I say? I’m just an ignorant female.
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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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Exodus wrote:
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The AI loves you.

I dont wanna go full female hating sluthate mode but come on lmao.

This is so simple.
Seeing that as a Christian:

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I'm gonna give it a go: does one need to meditate that long on that idea to realize that no matter how close it feels to the real thing, we'll always know that it isn't?

Isn't it something we've all realized by watching the movies @Afro_Vacancy cited (still need to watch Alita, damn that movie takes ages to come out on Blu-ray)?

No matter how far we've come with our new and cutting edge technologies, the only thing we haven't been able to manufacture is authentic love (shit, thanks to our culture for having rendered that word so sappy).

One doesn't need to go as far as artificial intelligence, the whole modern project in which some still desperately believe has already shown us that there is no way around the real thing so to speak. The male incels and the overly hypergamous females got there first: they believed that they could build a life in which they could dispense with a life-long relationship, sacrificing themselves for one person, having kids, etc.

But no matter how much you drown yourself in video games, comfort food, escorts, high-end VR porn, toyboys, beta orbiters, yoga retreats, muh career, you will never come even close to the fulfillment a proper life-long relationship and well, true love (I know, :sick: ) will give you.

So sorry @Exodus, for me it's even worse than what Afro thinks, it's just not just that I believe that it won't be happening in our lifetimes, I believe that it is just impossible.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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Seeing that as a Christian:

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I'm gonna give it a go: does one need to meditate that long on that idea to realize that no matter how close it feels to the real thing, we'll always know that it isn't.

Isn't it something we've all realized by watching the movies Afro_Vacancy cited (still need to watch Alita, damn that movie takes ages to come out on Blu-ray)?

No matter how far we've come with our new and cutting edge technologies, the only thing we haven't been able to manufacture is authentic love (shit, thanks to our culture for having rendered that word so sappy).

One doesn't need to go as far as artificial intelligence, the whole modern project in which some still desperately believe has already shown us that there is no way around the real thing so to speak. The male incels and the overly hypergamous females got there first: they believed that they could build a life in which they could dispense with a life-long relationship, sacrificing themselves for one person, having kids, etc.

But no matter how much you drown yourself in video games, comfort food, escorts, high-end VR porn, toyboys, beta orbiters, yoga retreats, muh career, you will never come even close to the fulfillment a proper life-long relationship and well, true love (I know, :sick: ) will give you.

So sorry Exodus, for me it's even worse than what Afro thinks, it's just not just that I believe that it won't be happening in our lifetimes, I believe that it is just impossible.
Why couldnt an AI love?

And im totally in agreement at the last part. Relationships are needed for happiness. But so is primal value (looks and intelligence)

Its like who gives a fuck if someone loves you when you're ugly? Lmfao

To be honest id prefer primal value over relationships. Which is moot anyways considering primal value GETS you relationships

We wont be able to fulfill ourselves with tech until we get both AI AND virtual reality

So i can live life as a chad AND popular

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by Afro_Vacancy » 2 months ago

Admin wrote:
2 months ago
Seeing that as a Christian:

Image

I'm gonna give it a go: does one need to meditate that long on that idea to realize that no matter how close it feels to the real thing, we'll always know that it isn't?

Isn't it something we've all realized by watching the movies Afro_Vacancy cited (still need to watch Alita, damn that movie takes ages to come out on Blu-ray)?

No matter how far we've come with our new and cutting edge technologies, the only thing we haven't been able to manufacture is authentic love (shit, thanks to our culture for having rendered that word so sappy).

One doesn't need to go as far as artificial intelligence, the whole modern project in which some still desperately believe has already shown us that there is no way around the real thing so to speak. The male incels and the overly hypergamous females got there first: they believed that they could build a life in which they could dispense with a life-long relationship, sacrificing themselves for one person, having kids, etc.

But no matter how much you drown yourself in video games, comfort food, escorts, high-end VR porn, toyboys, beta orbiters, yoga retreats, muh career, you will never come even close to the fulfillment a proper life-long relationship and well, true love (I know, :sick: ) will give you.

So sorry Exodus, for me it's even worse than what Afro thinks, it's just not just that I believe that it won't be happening in our lifetimes, I believe that it is just impossible.
The hardest problems in science now, in my opinion, in no particular order:

The nature of consciousness, and coming up with a competent "model" of the brain.
Quantum gravity, for which string theory is a candidate.
The frequency of life in the universe.
The pathology of male androgenic alopecia.
The frequency of intelligent life in the universe, i.e. evolution.
The mapping of gene-environment interactions.

;-)

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sounds like a sneaky diss but ok
I can see why you'd think it was as I have shot some sneaky disses in the past at other people, but I'm trying to evolve from that. I think that it is better for me to be open and honest.

The reason that I brought up that it won't happen in our lifetimes is to point out that it has no effect on us, and thus we're not discussing anything relevant, anything that can actually help us, which should ideally be the goal.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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I can see why you'd think it was as I have shot some sneaky disses in the past at other people, but I'm trying to evolve from that. I think that it is better for me to be open and honest.

The reason that I brought up that it won't happen in our lifetimes is to point out that it has no effect on us, and thus we're not discussing anything relevant, anything that can actually help us, which should ideally be the goal.
Ok fair enough. Im just always on guard as a result of being bald and short and all the bullying in high school i got for it.

And yes i too doubt it will happen in our lifetime, but its still cool to think about. Which do you think is more likely to happen in our life, a matrix level VR or general AI?

Im not sure which id rather have. Theyre equal. Being loved is worthless if you arent of high value, but being of high value is worthless if you have no one to love you for it

I know id definitely choose becoming attractive over an idealized girlfriend. Self love is the most important love

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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R, I was listening to Stern the other day and he was complaining a TON about how dark a recent episode of Game of Thrones was. An episode which was a long epic battle... but the lighting was so poor that he couldn't see the action. I dont watch Game of Thrones, so I'm curious, if you saw the episode, is he right? Callers mostly agreed with him. Of course the whole convo was hilarious.

Am still disturbed about what you told me regarding Scott the Engineer. And apparently he hasn't appeared on the show for like a year and is never mentioned anymore. Eh
Episode 3 was one of the better ones.
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The thing is they killed their strongest villain in a single episode.
In almost three episodes they are still fighting a much weaker enemy.

They are going to kill some popular characters.

Everybody knows who's going to kill Cersei.

Sophie is such a boring actress.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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yettee wrote:
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R, I was listening to Stern the other day and he was complaining a TON about how dark a recent episode of Game of Thrones was. An episode which was a long epic battle... but the lighting was so poor that he couldn't see the action. I dont watch Game of Thrones, so I'm curious, if you saw the episode, is he right? Callers mostly agreed with him. Of course the whole convo was hilarious.

Am still disturbed about what you told me regarding Scott the Engineer. And apparently he hasn't appeared on the show for like a year and is never mentioned anymore. Eh
There is an episode that was extremely dark. The DP said it was that people don’t know how to adjust their televisions but I found that ridiculous. I think he also said it was a deliberate choice (huh).
For me, I didn’t mind the darkness because it really kept you so unsure in spots what was happening like that confusion in battle..I just don’t think they can claim it was both a purposeful choice AND people not knowing how to adjust their televisions. I think it was a creative choice and he felt defensive about it but who knows really.

That episode was the most stressed viewing of my life because the action was almost non stop for 90 minutes or so. When you watch an action film it’s not action whole way through so when it was over my brain and eyes were like WTF? And the twist at the end of it, I never saw coming so was very cool and made sense and was satisfying to me.

However, I feel it’s gone a bit downhill from there. And I’m dreading the finale.

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Episode 3 was one of the better ones.

The thing is they killed their strongest villain in
a single episode.

In almost three episodes they are still fighting
a much weaker enemy.

They are going to kill some popular characters.

Everybody knows who's going to kill Cersei.

Sophie is such a boring actress.
Disagree about Sophie. I find her really watchable if it’s her unusual kind of beauty I don’t know. I also think her character growth is interesting. Unlike what they did with Jamie which was just an utter fail in my opinion.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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Hairblues wrote:
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There is an episode that was extremely dark. The DP said it was that people don’t know how to adjust their televisions but I found that ridiculous. I think he also said it was a deliberate choice (huh).
For me, I didn’t mind the darkness because it really kept you so unsure in spots what was happening like that confusion in battle..I just don’t think they can claim it was both a purposeful choice AND people not knowing how to adjust their televisions. I think it was a creative choice and he felt defensive about it but who knows really.
Thanks for this... what's DP? Um... deputy producer?

Jon Hein also liked it :D

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

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Hairblues wrote:
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Well, what can I say? I’m just an ignorant female.
lol im not trying to put you down. but you definitely showed typical female privilege and misunderstanding of incel issues

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I really enjoyed watching Queen Daneary's burn all those white people on Game of Thrones, Season 8 episode 5. It's definitely a show I think @That Guy would enjoy.



After watching that episode, I ate crackers with toasted marshmallows. For some reason it made me hungry. On a more serious note, what do people think of Seth Rogan's hair these days?

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