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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by Rudiger » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:10 pm

Afro_Vacancy wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:37 am
I watch nearly everything with subtitles.
I watch porn with subtitles to contrast the scripted with the improv and see what's better
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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by blackg » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:44 pm

koolaidshade wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:35 am
watched the first 2 episodes of altered carbon.

Its alright so far, but the dialogue audio is complete shit. the background/music is louder than the dialogue and its hard to hear what the characters are saying/mumbling.

I havent figured out how to turn on subtitles on my roommate's blue ray whatever thingy, and i cant really turn up the volume too loud for obvious reasons
Headphones help me in this regard, along with a subtitles function (if available).
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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by C4L » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:56 pm

I'm watching Vikings now and it's full of SO ANNOYING FEMINIST AND LEFTIST PROPAGANDA.

In the one of the first episode there was a moment when they said that cuckolding (raising a child from a wife who cheated) is a will of gods (just lol).

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by rclark » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:39 am

C4L wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:56 pm
I'm watching Vikings now and it's full of SO ANNOYING FEMINIST AND LEFTIST PROPAGANDA.

In the one of the first episode there was a moment when they said that cuckolding (raising a child from a wife who cheated) is a will of gods (just lol).
It does seem that way, but the latest season, I think Lagatha is going to be executed.

Do you like Game of Thrones? I used to like it, but after season 7 I'm done with it.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by yettee » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:08 pm

Admin wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:23 am
You are a very imaginative person and good at postmodernist deconstruction, I'll at least give you that.

It makes me laugh and angry at the same time, as it appears clever but it's at the same time an assault on reality.

I recently watched a movie released in 1992 called the player, it had good moments but during the second part of the movie, I started feeling slightly sick physically, I felt anger in front of the unfolding of that story, at a point, I realized that the director was actively mocking the audience and taking us for fools, there's even a scene where the whole cast laughs uncontrollably and we can't help but being like "what the hell is going on?!".

Unsurprisingly, after I gave the movie a 6/10 and set out to search for an explanation, wrongly thinking that I might have missed something. I stumbled on this page:

http://thecresset.org/FilmArchive/1992/ ... 01992.html

The movie was of course a stinking pile of postmodernist garbage. I can understand why some people enjoy such deconstructions of reality which actively leave out a vital part of reality in order to make its absurd narrative work. I clearly don't, even though it's quite easy to flip postmodern thoughts back on their feet once you've been given the tools to do so, mainly understanding that you don't meddle with the structure of reality without paying a price.
I've seen the Player several times. I will admit that I love it and see it as an all-time great movie, and it's known as one. Your interpretation is insightful, as was its deconstruction in that article. Actually, I don't disagree with anything you wrote or most of the article (other than not liking it :D ). However I see one aspect of it differently and I guess that's crucial. I don't think Altman was mocking the audience. Or rather, he was, but he was including himself in the group to be mocked, rather than himself being strictly a mocker. For me he is saying, we who engage in this shallow entertainment which is popular culture, both as audience and creators, are shallow hypocrites for pretending that we are creating/enjoying something great, when it's all just garbage. We produce the garbage without a shred of real art or noble intent, and the audience eats it. It's made clear that virtually every artist in the movie is creating their art for money and fame rather than for arts sake.

However, there is in fact a center of morality in the movie, people who are not fooled by the Hollywood tricks (as Altman sees it) and who are not hypnotised by it, and who are "real" people who express real human emotion: the police. Whoopi Goldberg and Lyle Lovett consistently do everything they can to bring the murderer (who is himself a garbage producer) down. They mock him, are irritated and infuriated by him, and at the end, when he manages to manipulate his way out of trouble, they are frustrated and sad and stare at him angrily. At the end of the movie when we hear the directors voice, I dont think its to mock the audience, but rather to condemn himself: he's not a sympathetic figure and we are not meant to like him, identify with him or agree with him. He (and the main character) have escaped justice, but they are to be scorned, not admired, because its clear that they have, in fact, escaped justice. So... without the inclusion of the police as the center of moral gravity in the film, and their evident, very real, human emotions and frustrations over not being able to bring the protagonist to justice, I think I'd share some of your queasy feeling. But taking the police into account, I dont think the audience is being mocked at all. Hes mocking and condemning his own attachment to the Hollywood machine and popular acclaim when in fact he wants to make great art with a moral center and knows he's capable of it. (This famously independent and acclaimed director made both the great, classic "Short Cuts" based on the brilliant short stories of Raymond Carver, and the utterly commercial "Popeye"). He's also taking a sad look at a society where there is no real justice. So yes, he's the director, but his heart is with the police. He's condemning himself.

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Re: Film and television discussion thread

Post by blackg » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:13 am

yettee wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:08 pm
I've seen the Player several times. I will admit that I love it and see it as an all-time great movie, and it's known as one. Your interpretation is insightful, as was its deconstruction in that article. Actually, I don't disagree with anything you wrote or most of the article (other than not liking it :D ). However I see one aspect of it differently and I guess that's crucial. I don't think Altman was mocking the audience. Or rather, he was, but he was including himself in the group to be mocked, rather than himself being strictly a mocker. For me he is saying, we who engage in this shallow entertainment which is popular culture, both as audience and creators, are shallow hypocrites for pretending that we are creating/enjoying something great, when it's all just garbage. We produce the garbage without a shred of real art or noble intent, and the audience eats it. It's made clear that virtually every artist in the movie is creating their art for money and fame rather than for arts sake.

However, there is in fact a center of morality in the movie, people who are not fooled by the Hollywood tricks (as Altman sees it) and who are not hypnotised by it, and who are "real" people who express real human emotion: the police. Whoopi Goldberg and Lyle Lovett consistently do everything they can to bring the murderer (who is himself a garbage producer) down. They mock him, are irritated and infuriated by him, and at the end, when he manages to manipulate his way out of trouble, they are frustrated and sad and stare at him angrily. At the end of the movie when we hear the directors voice, I dont think its to mock the audience, but rather to condemn himself: he's not a sympathetic figure and we are not meant to like him, identify with him or agree with him. He (and the main character) have escaped justice, but they are to be scorned, not admired, because its clear that they have, in fact, escaped justice. So... without the inclusion of the police as the center of moral gravity in the film, and their evident, very real, human emotions and frustrations over not being able to bring the protagonist to justice, I think I'd share some of your queasy feeling. But taking the police into account, I dont think the audience is being mocked at all. Hes mocking and condemning his own attachment to the Hollywood machine and popular acclaim when in fact he wants to make great art with a moral center and knows he's capable of it. (This famously independent and acclaimed director made both the great, classic "Short Cuts" based on the brilliant short stories of Raymond Carver, and the utterly commercial "Popeye"). He's also taking a sad look at a society where there is no real justice. So yes, he's the director, but his heart is with the police. He's condemning himself.
This is why I appreciate your take on things.
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