The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

Post by Arjen » 2 months ago

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Let's say you have a blind friend. You make fun of him cause you know him well and he isn't a pussy. You say something like:

"hey Matt what about cinema today? Your turn with paying" and you both laugh.

Now let's say you make fun in a more hardcore way like:

"Hey Matt, haha you never ever will see a beautiful forest in autumn haha". This isn't funny and will certainly not help him overcome anything.

The same way you can make fun of balding/bald guys. Do you laugh with him or over him? Do you say stuff like:

"Oh you look like my old Grandpa haha" or

"Matt you look older now buzzed, maybe you can now date Jonathan's mother haha" and you both pour in the Vodka.
In general and at least among grown-ups, you/I make fun when you deem the target somewhat likeable and not a poor, helpless victim. Same with women by the way, I don't think it's necessarily a bad sign when they dare to joke about you. I in any case prefer it to sympathy: no thanks, that is much more suited to make me feel bad and in need of sugarcoating.
Take Wolf Pack and blackg (who I'm quite sure portrays himself as less attractive in all the ways than he is or could be): why would Wolf Pack never ridicule the life blackg is suggesting he's living or his supposed looks, but made it his hobby to attack Fred's? Well, we know the answer.

The constellation is likely to influence the tone that you mention, too.

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Take Wolf Pack and blackg (who I'm quite sure portrays himself as less attractive in all the ways than he is or could be): why would Wolf Pack never ridicule the life blackg is suggesting he's living or his supposed looks, but made it his hobby to attack Fred's? Well, we know the answer.
I truly don't understand what you mean here.

Can you please clarify?

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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I truly don't understand what you mean here.

Can you please clarify?
The way blackg presents and positions himself - inter alia as a (in my opinion pseudo!) enabler and supporter - he's just no threat, so he gets "spared" the stick, even though judging by Wolf Pack's idea of a great life, blackg (no offence) must in Wolf's eyes the biggest loser ever - yet he acts cordially towards him, üretends to somehow relate to him, patronizingly offering to have a beer together etc.. I doubt blackg cares, but if he did or I did in his shoes, whether that validation is genuine or just the result of the things I mentioned, THAT would hurt me, rather than the stick and attention you've kept getting from Wolf Pack. I could make another example from my work life, but it's too present and specific that I'm a little reulctant to share details, so let me put it like this: I'm noticing some serious reservations from a guy with aspirations without me having ever done anything wrong to him, and that actually makes me feel pretty good. I kind of hope he's trying to engage in battle at the next apéro actually. 8-)

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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The way blackg presents and positions himself - inter alia as a (in my opinion pseudo!) enabler and supporter - he's just no threat, so he gets "spared" the stick, even though judging by Wolf Pack's idea of a great life, blackg (no offence) must in Wolf's eyes the biggest loser ever - yet he acts cordially towards him, üretends to somehow relate to him, patronizingly offering to have a beer together etc.. I doubt blackg cares, but if he did or I did in his shoes, whether that validation is genuine or just the result of the things I mentioned, THAT would hurt me, rather than the stick and attention you've kept getting from Wolf Pack. I could make another example from my work life, but it's too present and specific that I'm a little reulctant to share details, so let me put it like this: I'm noticing some serious reservations from a guy with aspirations without me having ever done anything wrong to him, and that actually makes me feel pretty good. I kind of hope he's trying to engage in battle at the next apéro actually. 8-)
I never mentioned how much my hair transplant was because I do think its something you can ask people per PM. Or maybe its the Swiss in me that don't like to talk about money, cause it seems to be rude to mention it. Especially when it was expensive. But I inserted: "12 000 Dollar hair transplant bruh" to Wolf Pack cause I had a feeling he will not like this bragging. Maybe money is a "threat" to Wolf Pack? (but let's not derail this thread haha).

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Lmfao, thanks for always the downvotes on all my posts too.

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I get your point about it being in bad taste to say that someone who is bald in the current era of treatments is likely to stay that way, but for most people that is realistic.

I don’t know your hair loss situation but for 90% of people transplants are absolutely an option, even someone like Admin with a below average donor got good results and in my opinion if he’d gone the FUT+ SMP route to max things out he could have virtually got full coverage including temple point work. There are very few people who don’t have a means of fixing the issue in this current era if they have the time, money and the will so why haven’t you fixed your situation now? Why is it reasonable to expect any different down the track when to this point there’s been absolutely zero progress on treatments made available to the public in decades, aside from improvements in transplants.

Up to this point you can go back and read hair transplants going back fifteen years and people are saying the cringey “when I have hair again” but still ignoring transplants meds etc. Looking back it’s nothing but sad and delusional and I think that’s what your comment is. I’d rather it not be and you get back all your hair tomorrow, but I think that’s not happening tomorrow nor ever if you haven’t already gone the transplant route.
RAOTFLMA!!!! Admin got shit for results. His forehead is very high and the hair he ended up with on top is VERY sparse. Admin never had enough donor hair to get a full head of hair in the first place. His best chance to get a full head of hair relatively soon is Tsuji. And I'm optimistic that Admin will get that chance soon.

You don't get it that many of us do not have the donor area quantity to recover a solid head of hair via hair transplantation. And it doesn't matter that you think people won't be able to get back all their hair back soon because you have no idea what you're talking about. Tsuji's treatment, HairClone's treatment, and Jahoda's/Christiano's ideas will lead to as much hair volume as you're able to pay for.

It doesn't matter what people said 15 years ago. 15 years ago is 15 years ago and today is today. Today science is a lot more advanced than it was 15 years ago. Why do you need to be told this? Why do you need to be told that the science of today is more advanced than science was 15 years ago? Anybody with a brain would know that.

I'm definitely going to get my hair back in 1 - 3 years because I'll just fly to Asia to get Tsuji's treatment as soon as it hits the market.

And why do you even hang out here anymore? You have a reasonably full head of hair. You should have already left the hair websites. Are you such a loser that you have no place else to go?

And it doesn't matter that you finally get it that it was in "bad taste" for you to say that someone who is bald in the current era of treatments is likely to stay that way because the point is that you said it. You never should have said it in the first place. You talk a lot of fascistic, racist, and xenophobic hate-speech and that is an expression of your soul, just like your so-called artwork is an expression of your soul. What you paint onto a canvas expresses what's inside of your ugly soul just the same as your mouth expresses what's inside of your ugly soul. You do not have an artist's soul.
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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

Post by JLBB » 2 months ago

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Did them/him saying that really make you feel bad, hurt, believe that? I doubt it. Because it's not true.
Did it make the guy feel better pointing out a flaw of yours? I'm pretty sure it did, but that speaks volumes about the impairment he has and how he deals with it. His "flaw" is of a quality that would prevent people from making fun of him and suggesting his dating life is basically over.
It doesn't justify that so many seem to assume balding is just balding and therefore ok to make jokes about, but honestly, it's not as serious as that guy's fate, a deformed face, being 165 as a guy - having mentioned height, it's interesting how shortish guys are occasionally made fun of in my experience, but hardly ever the REALLY short ones - because everybody knows they are truly fucked and it's below most people to mention it.

You come across as self-assured, are otherwise decent looking apparently, so it seems normal the occasional frustrated guy took this opportunity. And yes, its certainly is/was an opportunity, as I'm well aware, balding (especially in your 20s) is no sweet thing, but I keep looking at it from this point of view: I'd still be struggling to do well with women above a 6 even if I had a nice, full head of hair, I can witness this first hand with guys that are smiliar to me plus hair, so balding can't have had such a big effect (less than I'd actually wish - I'd love to have just that one truly relevant deficiency!), and even during my 20s I was able to date and it was always, every single time me who ended things - mainly because I had to date down, just slightly mostly, but down. Seeing how that's not different for 90% of the guys (with or without hair) and given that hair may bump me up half a point (or even one), I conclude that what you were made of fun was something that is for that reason (wrongfully) "allowed" to make fun of.
I know you have a more radical view on balding (and so do admin or others), so my stance on this is going to be pretty exclusive, but I've just seen too many otherwise good looking guys do well and in fact better with attractive women than the average looking full head for me to agree in this regard.
This was prior to any surgeries or finasteride though, virtually looked like I had a bald spot on the crown and was a badly thinned out norwood 3. I do think I'm on the bottom end of the scale of getting hit hard by balding, I had genuinely dropped 2.5-3 points or dipped well below the threshold of being attractive in any way, looking like that I had a zero % chance of a relationship or hookup with an attractive or intelligent girl. Around the same time I went to pick up something for my dad at the post-office and the guy at the counter asked if I was his brother, I was 22 at the time and he was around 55.

Point being everything they said was true, I often get incredibly angry or agitated at people or situations, but outside of rejection from a girl on an app or something this was the only time I can remember that I've ever felt personally *offended* by something. I genuinely was completely fucked if my hair transplants didn't work out, even if socially it's allowed to make fun of someone's life being ruined over hair loss the people that do are still pieces of shit. Its outright unforgivable for me.

I know I've said it before but I honestly do think from your photos that your biggest and only real problem in my opinion is your hair loss. With a hat you passed for a 7, probably could go above that if you bulked up a bit. You definitely look kind of weedy which doesn't work with bald at all. I genuinely think you could get 8s if you had a reasonable amount of muscle + even a conservative hair line and set of hair. Facially there is no problem.

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RAOTFLMA!!!! Admin got shit for results. His forehead is very high and the hair he ended up with on top is VERY sparse. Admin never had enough donor hair to get a full head of hair. His best chance to get a full head of hair relatively soon is Tsuji. And I'm optimistic that Admin will get that chance soon.

You don't get it that many of us do not have the donor area quantity to recover a solid head of hair via hair transplantation. And it doesn't matter that you think people won't be able to get back all their hair back soon because you have no idea what you're talking about. Tsuji's treatment, HairClone's treatment, and Jahoda's/Christiano's ideas will lead to as much hair volume as you're able to pay for.

It doesn't matter what people said 15 years ago. 15 years ago is 15 years ago and today is today. Today science is a lot more advanced than it was 15 years ago. Why do you need to be told this? Why do you need to be told that the science of today is more advanced than science was 15 years ago? Anybody with a brain would know that.

I'm definitely going to get my hair back in 1 - 3 years because I'll just fly to Asia to get Tsuji's treatment as soon as it hits the market.

And why do you even hang out here anymore? You have a reasonably full head of hair. You should have already left the hair websites. Are you such a loser that you have no place else to go?

And it doesn't matter if you finally get it that it was in "bad taste" to say that someone who is bald in the current era of treatments is likely to stay that way because the point is that you said it. You never should have said it in the first place. You talk a lot of fascistic, racist, and xenophobic hate-speech and that is an expression of your soul, just like your so-called artwork is an expression of your soul. What you paint onto a canvas expresses what's inside of your ugly soul just the same as your mouth expresses what's inside of your ugly soul. You do not have an artist's soul.
Admin got a normal set of hair for his age with only two FUE surgeries, with donor to spare. If he'd gone the FUT route plus beard hair and utilised SMP, he could have had virtually a full head of hair, and his donor was well below average. Less than 5% of people with male pattern baldness I see online couldn't achieve close to full coverage with a conservative hair line. I very much doubt you're one of them, and I'm a hell of a lot more experienced in transplant knowledge than you are.

"And why do you even hang out here anymore? You have a reasonably full head of hair. You should have already left the hair websites. Are you such a loser that you have no place else to go? "

Implying what, that you and everyone else here is a loser? No one here is a loser except for you, I like or enjoy the characters of 99% of people here and from the old forum, how does going on a forum to read what they have to say make me a loser? Its a good fill for various perspectives and discussion on politics and culture that you don't get elsewhere. I hadn't even been on here for months and am usually on at the gym or a spare minute at work while flicking through chats on hookup apps, pretending there's shame in going on occasionally makes you an asshole. Hardly makes sense to call yourself nameless when "fuckhead" would have easily suited by the way.

Greater scientific understanding does not magically equal progress on achieving a cure for hairloss, the fact is at this point none of the supposed cures are anywhere near being released, nor have they come close to finalised trials. Pseudo-science, tiny percentages of improvement with no photos or photos taken on a potato, and pre-pre-pre-pre market trials are meaningless in terms of what you can reasonably rely on. I've read enough supposed cures made up of pseudoscience and grand claims from the last 15 years to know that nothing actually matters until you get legitimate human trials, before that researchers willingly make things up or grossly exaggerate claims to keep the money pot and interest rolling. At this point you and no one else aside from close associates have any idea whether Tsuji will be a successful means of mainstream treatment, if you did then there'd be no reason for trials to begin with, it would already exist and be used. If you don't think that combo FUE+FUT+SMP+BHT is a virtual cure for 99% of people who have the money will and time to utilise them to the greatest extent, then you don't have the intellectual capabilities to understand potential future cures.

Also I'm not a painter, my arts degree mostly focused on film, English, digital audio production and philosophy among other things. Although I don't have anything close to an ugly soul, I think you'll find plenty of great artists with ugly souls like Polanski, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Francis Bacon etc that are routinely considered to be great even by the mainstream.

"You talk a lot of fascistic, racist, and xenophobic hate-speech and that is an expression of your soul, just like your so-called artwork is an expression of your soul. "

Am I supposed to like the culture of foreign countries with civil rights back in the 1500s? Am I supposed to want to import millions of those who live in and contribute/created cultures like these? People who run and contribute to countries that involve honour killings, dictatorships, socialism,hatred for gays and women, slavery, and support a hatred of western values. Am I supposed to praise and support the Australian aboriginals and their culture, like having average IQs two standard deviations below the mean, having mass alcholism problems, raping their kids, not sending their kids to school, abusing their partners pissing in the streets, calling you "white muda fukka!" at night when walking home? There's good culture and bad culture, good people and bad people, all I'm saying is I don't want to import toxic cultures or people who are part of and contribute to them, nor do I want affirmative action for races like the aboriginals that are hanging off the back of the bell curve. Wanting restrictive management of immigration is about as far from fascism as you can get. If someone wants to enter your house and you say no, is this fascism? Your use of the term is braindead.

Honestly you should go live in Palestine, or send your kids there (if you have any I don't know). Or live with a group of aboriginals.
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You should marry this woman too. Great fucking culture and people. Beautiful. You really don't know traditional Aussie culture until you've seen an aboriginal woman piss on the sidewalk in broad daylight or call you "white muda fukkaaaa!" as you walk past.

Is any of what I said racist? I don't give a flying fuck if it is, by a million % I'd rather be called xenephobic or racist by low IQ swines like yourself than have the issues with multiculturalism and immigration we do in the west right now, which hurts the sovereignty, identify and quality of life of those living in Western countries. Your virtual signalling pseudoempathy is as worthless as dogshit and only harms people.

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Hahah. I missed your memes/gifs. Even if you annoyed me I must admit you have a good sense of humor. :mrgreen:

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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This was prior to any surgeries or finasteride though, virtually looked like I had a bald spot on the crown and was a badly thinned out norwood 3. I do think I'm on the bottom end of the scale of getting hit hard by balding, I had genuinely dropped 2.5-3 points or dipped well below the threshold of being attractive in any way, looking like that I had a zero % chance of a relationship or hookup with an attractive or intelligent girl. Around the same time I went to pick up something for my dad at the post-office and the guy at the counter asked if I was his brother, I was 22 at the time and he was around 55.

Point being everything they said was true, I often get incredibly angry or agitated at people or situations, but outside of rejection from a girl on an app or something this was the only time I can remember that I've ever felt personally *offended* by something. I genuinely was completely fucked if my hair transplants didn't work out, even if socially it's allowed to make fun of someone's life being ruined over hair loss the people that do are still pieces of shit. Its outright unforgivable for me.

I know I've said it before but I honestly do think from your photos that your biggest and only real problem in my opinion is your hair loss. With a hat you passed for a 7, probably could go above that if you bulked up a bit. You definitely look kind of weedy which doesn't work with bald at all. I genuinely think you could get 8s if you had a reasonable amount of muscle + even a conservative hair line and set of hair. Facially there is no problem.
Hard for me to judge if you are what to me would be a rare exception that is unfortunate enough to have lost so many points due to balding, but be that as it may, that was certainly your personal perception, so yes, a sensible person would always assume that at least the perceived impact might be as huge as with you, so it should probably be as much of a no-go as making fun of the examples that I mentioned (although is too common for me to see the handicap as equal) - unless the baldite in question is making jokes about it himself or expresses an openness to comments.
I agree that my friendly face would benefit from a hair line and that bulking up would be helpful in any case. You are right, I‘m weedy (nice word I can add to my vocabulary, had never read it before), and I tend to underestimate the impact, always deducting from my own extreme face-focus.
Given I‘m a NW6 at 37, relatively stable over the last few years: FUT megasession (5k+ grafts) first with Hattingen, then FUE for scar and some 2-2.5k additional grafts via FUE if donor allows for it = reasonable plan? Even if it‘s just for a decently dense NW 2.5 I might go for it instead of keeping on whining that I can‘t get the women I like...

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Hard for me to judge if you are what to me would be a rare exception that is unfortunate enough to have lost so many points due to balding, but be that as it may, that was certainly your personal perception, so yes, a sensible person would always assume that at least the perceived impact might be as huge as with you, so it should probably be as much of a no-go as making fun of the examples that I mentioned (although is too common for me to see the handicap as equal) - unless the baldite in question is making jokes about it himself or expresses an openness to comments.
I agree that my friendly face would benefit from a hair line and that bulking up would be helpful in any case. You are right, I‘m weedy (nice word I can add to my vocabulary, had never read it before), and I tend to underestimate the impact, always deducting from my own extreme face-focus.
Given I‘m a NW6 at 37, relatively stable over the last few years: FUT megasession (5k+ grafts) first with Hattingen, then FUE for scar and some 2-2.5k additional grafts via FUE if donor allows for it = reasonable plan? Even if it‘s just for a decently dense NW 2.5 I might go for it instead of keeping on whining that I can‘t get the women I like...
The selfish guy in me would love to see you go for a mega session transplant. I'm so curious how you would look like with hair. The more serious side of me but thinks that an hair transplant in your case isn't necessary. You are one of the few guys here, that hair loss wasn't a big impact psychologically (or even the only one). And honestly, I don't think even a mega session would give you more than a mediocre Norwood 2.5. Very few cases guys go from bald to full head.

I would rather spend the money in your case to a good personal trainer and you will invest 1 year of your life in the GYM 3-4 times a week.
Before people now call me: "Yeah yeah the old go lifting bruh" advise sucks: I have seen Arjen and he does look good even bald. I would still give him a 6.5 despite having no hair. Oh and even my girlfriend rated him a 7 so he is fine. Other people I have seen pictures without hair are almost all under a 5.

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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The selfish guy in me would love to see you go for a mega session transplant. I'm so curious how you would look like with hair. The more serious side of me but thinks that an hair transplant in your case isn't necessary. You are one of the few guys here, that hair loss wasn't a big impact psychologically (or even the only one). And honestly, I don't think even a mega session would give you more than a mediocre Norwood 2.5. Very few cases guys go from bald to full head.

I would rather spend the money in your case to a good personal trainer and you will invest 1 year of your life in the GYM 3-4 times a week.
Before people now call me: "Yeah yeah the old go lifting bruh" advise sucks: I have seen Arjen and he does look good even bald. I would still give him a 6.5 despite having no hair. Oh and even my girlfriend rated him a 7 so he is fine. Other people I have seen pictures without hair are almost all under a 5.
Haha, well, to be honest: curiosity would be a big incentive for me as well. Also with regards to how it’d feel to have hair to go through with your hand. I’d like that and I get the odd excitement admin must have got when he went to see a hairdresser for the first time in years.

As I’ve mentioned, the result of my brother’s hair transplant is very far from perfect and I genuinely believe his bigger success with more attractive women is mainly based on his face, height, build (he’s been working out) – in that order. But yes, maybe him having some sort of hair line helped, so when it comes to optimizing, I cannot just exclude that option as long as I’m still relatively (…) young.

Going to the gym 3 times per week is my only resolution for this year, so I’d better adhere to it.

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Haha, well, to be honest: curiosity would be a big incentive for me as well. Also with regards to how it’d feel to have hair to go through with your hand. I’d like that and I get the odd excitement admin must have got when he went to see a hairdresser for the first time in years.

As I’ve mentioned, the result of my brother’s hair transplant is very far from perfect and I genuinely believe his bigger success with more attractive women is mainly based on his face, height, build (he’s been working out) – in that order. But yes, maybe him having some sort of hair line helped, so when it comes to optimizing, I cannot just exclude that option as long as I’m still relatively (…) young.

Going to the gym 3 times per week is my only resolution for this year, so I’d better adhere to it.
But Admin and others were affected a lot and had mental problems cause of it. I stopped doing a lot of things as well cause my hair line made feel old. So just for "going through hair" isn't enough to spend 30k. But if you still go to Hattingen, I would love to visit you since I live very close to him. I maybe even plant some Grafts for you for free. Don't worry, I watched a lot of youtube Videos I know what I'm doing.

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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Arjen wrote:
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Hard for me to judge if you are what to me would be a rare exception that is unfortunate enough to have lost so many points due to balding, but be that as it may, that was certainly your personal perception, so yes, a sensible person would always assume that at least the perceived impact might be as huge as with you, so it should probably be as much of a no-go as making fun of the examples that I mentioned (although is too common for me to see the handicap as equal) - unless the baldite in question is making jokes about it himself or expresses an openness to comments.
I agree that my friendly face would benefit from a hair line and that bulking up would be helpful in any case. You are right, I‘m weedy (nice word I can add to my vocabulary, had never read it before), and I tend to underestimate the impact, always deducting from my own extreme face-focus.
Given I‘m a NW6 at 37, relatively stable over the last few years: FUT megasession (5k+ grafts) first with Hattingen, then FUE for scar and some 2-2.5k additional grafts via FUE if donor allows for it = reasonable plan? Even if it‘s just for a decently dense NW 2.5 I might go for it instead of keeping on whining that I can‘t get the women I like...
The only reason I can think of not to at least consult Hattingen is if you didn't have the time to go for a procedure. Really depends on your donor laxity how much coverage you could get but they regularly do cases in the 5-6k range. Honestly think its the best thing you could do for your aesthetics, but the gym would definitely help, even with 6 months worth of noob gains and then flat-lining.

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Re: The only peace of mind in hair loss is going bald

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The only reason I can think of not to at least consult Hattingen is if you didn't have the time to go for a procedure. Really depends on your donor laxity how much coverage you could get but they regularly do cases in the 5-6k range. Honestly think its the best thing you could do for your aesthetics, but the gym would definitely help, even with 6 months worth of noob gains and then flat-lining.
This is the first year in a long time where I've not made and booked big holidays in advance (Australia last January by the way, loads of bulky guys and gyms in the big cities!), so I'd have the option of using (half) my vacations for surgery and some recovery, so I might just pay them (and Jason) a visit.

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